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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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lots of stuff to talk about very

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important stuff to talk about in the

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power cast this week let me tell you

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right off the bat later on the show in

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our second segment we'll be featuring

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the famed cryptozoologist Loren Coleman

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back after a couple of years he's gonna

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have a lot of great things to say we

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have a number of questions from our

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listeners we get that now as you know

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any show like this when you're in the

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public eye you get reviewed some people

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hate you some people love you they hate

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me they I don't know I don't think

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anybody loves me maybe my son maybe my

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dog they love Chris some people maybe

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are not so happy about him they'll

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comment about the fact that they think

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we run too many commercials now all this

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thing you expect that so this time I saw

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review in iTunes where they said Chris

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talks as if he has marbles or chewing

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tobacco in his mouth Chris this reminds

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me by the way in the old days if you

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ever watched the old western movies from

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like the 40s and 50s or even the 30s

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there was this old actor named George

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Gabby Hayes and he talked like that he

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talked like he had marbles in his mouth

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and the reason is he had false teeth and

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so when he went before the camera to be

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in character

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he took his teeth out seriously to get

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that kind of garbled kind of slappy

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sound yeah that kind of a sloppy slappy

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sound like he's either half drunk or

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something and that shows dedication

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because you know most performers have an

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ego so you want to fix your hair you

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want to replace your hair your teeth

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everything the first thing you do when

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you appear as an actor they'll send you

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to get dental implants if they don't

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like your teeth right right of course

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well gene with just who we are you know

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I do adopt kind of semi personas if you

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if you will but you know pretty much

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what you here's what you get so there

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there you go exactly but the thing is

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here no matter what you do somebody will

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do of course of course somebody's gonna

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have something to say that's

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you know maybe not too Pleasant or

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congratulatory whatever and that that's

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cool you know everybody you know

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backends are like opinions everybody has

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one so you know we got to give everybody

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that that's why the para cast is so

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loved especially online at forum doctor

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para cast comm because we have great

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threads engaging subjects incredible

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minds I learned something there every

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day you know I I really Darlington

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upwards I think we're doing a great job

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Jean and be good to get a little extra

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content in there for some sort of you

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know maybe progression on this whole

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theme I'm having fun I know you are too

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despite the ups and downs we have great

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guests and we got a good one today the -

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boy I can't wait to talk to Lauren oh

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yes he's always tremendous guest let's

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briefly talk about a favorite subject of

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yours because as part of your book

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stalking the hurt and forgive me ladies

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and gentlemen

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but I know some people don't like when

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you promote your stuff but you know

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every radio show out there where they

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have something to promote a public

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appearance or anything else they

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news bill o'reilly every single show he

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promotes his books his online site the

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orders he takes for custom merchandise

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even Bill Maher I mean come on you know

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it's not a big deal I mean I have a I

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think an important book out and the more

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people hear about it know about it and

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are intrigued enough about their own

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health and the environment and in our

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aware of the information that's out

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there okay so we talked about the meat

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industry and the horrible conditions

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under which the cattle is kept in

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preparation for the slaughter now

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there's a story at CNN this week on CNN

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tech called how test-tube meat could be

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the future of food and I was thinking

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here maybe we should just have

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replicators like in Star Trek

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I think the raw ingredients it's like a

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3d printer almost soy in green Oh with

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that was the last movie by the way that

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that's true made of course we remember

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him from doing all the gangster movies

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of the 30s and 40s and they did this

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movie with I can't think of the actor

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it'll shoot me from beyond the grave

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because he was a big he was a big NRA

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guy so he would shoot me from beyond the

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grave for forgetting Charlton Heston

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but the final line in the movie was from

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Edward G Robinson Soylent Green is

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people

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but no test-tube meet let's be serious

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about good so they know you know science

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new things and and tinker and play with

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mother nature you know you got it that's

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a slippery slope you know there's so

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many implications of this particular

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claim and of a development there's a ton

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of implications and I think we should

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tread very very slowly very carefully

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and and really dot our i's and cross our

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T's so to speak well I always worry when

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you do something like this will you have

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all the ingredients in this test tube

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meat that you have in meat that's

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normally processed and I'm thinking in

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terms of vitamins minerals other

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chemicals is there the possibility of

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introducing something that's harmful to

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people oh of course

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because science does that you know are

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you going to have different elements of

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the meat industry opposing this or using

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it as another profit Center cattle is

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like oil on the planet I really believe

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that the longer we go on utilizing

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cattle for protein you know food derived

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protein and as long as we go on using

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petrol products to power our world we're

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we're really headed toward disaster I

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really do have a sense of that and and

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this whole idea of meat protein is is

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just it's not addressed in our culture

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this is just not that this is verboten

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you know that nobody wants it wants to

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discuss it it's in the closet and I

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think it's important to you know maybe

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reignited debate

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Jeremy Rifkin did in the early 90s with

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beyond beef an excellent book I

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recommend and I could just go down the

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list of books that that we're you know

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well-received but I think largely

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ignored by the public because it's it's

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a subject that P

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don't want to deal with they don't want

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to think about how that that chopped

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covered in plastic in the supermarket I

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have to tell you since I've had my

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gastrointestinal stuff I haven't had

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actual beef for probably two or three

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weeks I'm still here I guess I'm a

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little healthy yeah well just you know

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for eating less you know there's there's

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there's ways to you know incorporate the

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research into your own health and diet

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and in your life and you know I'm

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posting on the I just posted a very

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interesting article about some of the

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additives that are now being publicly

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acknowledged and and explained a little

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bit about some of the things that go

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into processing meat and and some of the

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chemicals just you know I don't want to

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go down that slope right now and get off

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track but but it's an important subject

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so if we mentioned stocking herd and and

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the implications behind the book then

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you know more power to us I think

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besides listen it's our show if we have

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something to promote let's promote it I

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have nobody's written a book like this

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so you know it's important I'll be the

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first ones to state that load here I

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have only one thing to promote I have

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another radio show called the tech night

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our live right okay about personal

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technology it's on every week it's been

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on line since 2002 we started that four

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years before we started the para cast

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yeah alright so what's the other show I

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have nothing to sell I have no books out

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that you want to buy except for attack

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of the rock oh it's a sci-fi novel and

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we have separate commercials for that so

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we don't have to promote that promoting

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things let's promote our guest who's

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coming up there you go right I mean he's

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not promoting anything except his

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legendary status in the field the I

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that's the same thing you know he is a

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fountain of knowledge I want to ask him

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about cattle mutilations gene he was

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you know maybe that's what we should

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start with because we're focusing on the

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cattle industry the beef industry test

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know bringing up-to-date on what he's

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been doing is to talk about his research

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into cattle mutilations that's gonna be

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pretty good and this is going to be a

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really great episode ladies and

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gentlemen so get back and ready for this

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Loren Coleman with gene and Chris you're

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in the very cast first game attack of

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the rockets and it was a critically

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acclaimed success and now there is the

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coming of the protectors a former

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military intelligence man is contacted

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by a space woman in a dream a dream that

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turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock codes

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and the coming of the protectors find

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before not in the last couple of years

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we're glad to have you back Loren I'm

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taking a little time out from your

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schedule to join us so in terms of your

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research and everything what have you

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thank you for having me back it's great

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to be here I've been doing all kinds of

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books on cryptozoology traveling around

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quite a bit on different documentary

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shows or at conferences but also as you

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know on interested in sociology and

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copy-cat effect and twilight' language

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being old forty and I take that very to

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heart that cryptozoology is always going

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to be my

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passion uncertainly there to ask a lot

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of questions about that explained in

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general now Chris wanted to bring up a

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subject and this is something you may

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want to address to start now I don't

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know if you've seen this new book out

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yet stalking the herd about cattle

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mutilations no no I have not seen it

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Chris why don't you explain the

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background of the question let's proceed

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from there well hi Lauren cuz Chris here

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um you know welcome to the show and you

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know when I was doing my research about

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some of the the beginnings of a

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particular theory memes trying to

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explain the cattle mutilation mystery

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back in the early to mid 70s you know

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with the help of David Perkins my mentor

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who you know was involved in this whole

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field since 75 he's I think the the most

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the preeminent expert in my opinion on

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the subject he and I did a real

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exhaustive sort of back grounding and

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and tracing back who told who told who

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and came up with some interesting names

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at the very key beginning of some of the

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various memes that started in the early

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70s and I seem to remember your name in

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conjunction with Jerry Clark as being

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someone who very early on investigated

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cattle mutilations before it became a

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real you know mainstream subject in 7576

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but back in the early early 70s I think

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you were involved in some cases do what

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do you remember from that time period

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and what what were people thinking about

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these early cases well I actually got

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involved in it earlier than they were

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before they were actually the

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mutilations I was started very

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independently of Jerry Clark just to

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investigate and gather cattle rustling

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reports they were quiet I was you know I

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until 1974 I lived in California for a

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couple of years before I served in New

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England in 75 and during that time I was

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in Illinois I started getting in Iowa

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and Kansas boy yeah there were lots of

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you know black helicopters green

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helicopters white bands you know all of

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those stories that you heard with

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Academy

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relations well they seemed to have

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precursors with cattle-rustling right

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really kick you out even gunfights

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between your answers and helicopter

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crews there are a couple of cases that

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were fairly well covered I think with

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law enforcement reports and newspaper

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accounts of actual gun gun battles in

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one case I think the guy was even fired

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on from someone some unknown party on

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the ground the jury clerk got involved

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and he had a much more you know was it

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connected to certain politicians was it

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connected to certain people from

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Hollywood was it a ritual satanic thing

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was kind of all over the map and then of

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course those individuals came along with

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their book saying that was you know

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coyotes right and so there was all all

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kinds of different theories and

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different answers and actually that

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doesn't disturb me because I think for

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anyone phenomena there can be multiple

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answers people kind of get a little too

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rigid thinking that their answer is the

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right answer little tunnel vision go on

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answer yeah I kind of backed away from

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Jerry's you know this person was

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involved with that person and he was

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talking to different government people

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who supposedly were in prison or had

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secret information to me it seemed a

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little - path a little almost as if

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there was a cover story and really

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didn't answer all of the questions but

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certainly for a lot of people was

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satisfying enough and then the other

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thing of course is that they didn't

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disappear you know it grew a new face

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and these animals were left behind in a

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mutilated condition now thousands of

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them I had enough to do with right you

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know I appreciate your candor in that

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aspect the early cases I think from Iowa

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I think some from Kansas in other other

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places prior to the big waves of

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mutilations in 7475 especially in 379

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those early 72 cases of rustling

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dovetailed into one

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largest UFO flaps on record in 1973 and

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it's an interesting correlation David

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and I discovered is that wherever there

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was helicopter reports prior in 72 there

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were no UFO reports it's almost like

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those areas were avoided by at least

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examining the the number of cases being

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reported and where their location just

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it very interesting parallels lots of

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stuff as you kind of are mentioning here

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stewing around and then shooting off to

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become very very powerful memes I think

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in terms of this subject and and you

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know it's I really do admire your

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open-mindedness especially in the

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cryptozoological realm in your early 40

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and leanings to acknowledge that you

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know there's no one-size-fits-all answer

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for probably any of these subjects and

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it's it's much more complicated than the

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media would like us to believe or you

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know experts with drums to bang and

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their blinders on or whatever it's very

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complicated and you really need to do

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the research and do your own work really

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to come to a real informed opinion I

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would think right I think the other part

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of other courses that it's become part

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of our popular culture you know as miles

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with big black helicopters and Jim Keith

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and in his black helicopters it became

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part of what everybody started talking

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about in it and it grew almost its own

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head right became a monster itself and

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they these real physical reports who do

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you think they're 40 in the nature

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glinda I would suggest that many of

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these helicopter reports associated with

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mutilations are actually UFOs cloaked as

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helicopters yeah well I mean you know

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the cloaking thing happened I'm not I'm

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not convinced of that many reports of

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law enforcement almost bringing them

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down making them smoke here in rounds

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ricocheting off metal 0 some about bin

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Laden right right yeah zero dark thirty

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well if you don't know there's a scene

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there were they there there an area 51

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and they're looking at the black

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helicopters are going to use over there

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so we know that there's reality here and

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we're not being told everything by the

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government because they have to have

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secrets so sometimes I think some of

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this things these things overlap even

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the Clyde Bundy stuff that's going to

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grind even Bunge right you talk about

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helicopters in that oh yeah yeah that's

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a lot of stuff we can get into there so

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let's continue I haven't seen any black

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helicopters this week though so let's

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just get that straight now okay we have

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Loren Coleman joining gene and Chris

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[Music]

604
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on the power cast Loren Coleman joins us

605
00:27:18,499 --> 00:27:17,070
first time in a couple of years were

606
00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:18,509
really really pleased to have him here

607
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:20,940
and Chris and Lauren have been talking

608
00:27:26,239 --> 00:27:23,730
at first about cattle mutilations and

609
00:27:29,539 --> 00:27:26,249
all the other crazy shenanigans going on

610
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,549
and of course the black helicopter

611
00:27:34,909 --> 00:27:31,919
reared its ugly head we were talking

612
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:34,919
about that rancher from Nevada the one

613
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:36,840
who's been fighting the government over

614
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:39,840
grazing his cattle on public lands and

615
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:41,940
everything but let's just get away from

616
00:27:54,379 --> 00:27:45,659
that don't you think it away from that

617
00:27:59,680 --> 00:27:54,389
well let's save the tortoise okay Solar

618
00:28:05,629 --> 00:28:02,720
looking into the rustling is because I

619
00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:05,639
was trying to see if some Bigfoot with

620
00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:10,529
rustling cattle the Missouri yeah oh

621
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:14,460
yeah the wave of mutilations of

622
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:16,049
following the year a year I think a year

623
00:28:22,489 --> 00:28:19,289
and a half later right and Momo was

624
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,499
actually seen carrying a dog right in

625
00:28:27,229 --> 00:28:24,960
the scene another one yeah well there

626
00:28:30,109 --> 00:28:27,239
was a sheep and then in Michigan there

627
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:30,119
was a newspaper man that was delivering

628
00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:32,340
and he saw one of the Bigfoot carrying a

629
00:28:37,399 --> 00:28:34,409
goat across the road right there's been

630
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,409
quite a bit in the East was a lot Wow

631
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:40,320
remember him yeah he was wearing the

632
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:42,450
pants that were two sizes too small he

633
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:44,220
was leaping off second floor balconies

634
00:28:49,159 --> 00:28:46,529
running across parkways tons of

635
00:28:50,539 --> 00:28:49,169
newspaper stories about him you know I

636
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,549
was thinking when you said that Chris

637
00:28:54,169 --> 00:28:52,559
may be the reason he was running and

638
00:28:58,039 --> 00:28:54,179
jumping is because the pants were so

639
00:29:00,680 --> 00:28:58,049
tight they were hurting him well he I

640
00:29:03,289 --> 00:29:00,690
think was wearing a plaid shirt too if I

641
00:29:04,849 --> 00:29:03,299
if I memory serves me correct it's

642
00:29:08,479 --> 00:29:04,859
interesting that's another thing that

643
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,489
David David came up with is that just so

644
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:09,600
there's no confusion here

645
00:29:15,229 --> 00:29:12,419
chris is talking about David Perkins his

646
00:29:17,419 --> 00:29:15,239
longtime friend and collaborator and

647
00:29:18,979 --> 00:29:17,429
David of course was on a few weeks ago

648
00:29:21,979 --> 00:29:18,989
on the power cast when we featured

649
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:21,989
Chris's book stalking the herd we see

650
00:29:25,270 --> 00:29:24,090
these kind of hairy humanoid reports a

651
00:29:27,310 --> 00:29:25,280
wild man report

652
00:29:30,190 --> 00:29:27,320
in areas that are then subsequently

653
00:29:31,779 --> 00:29:30,200
later a year or two later then

654
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,789
become an epicenter of an outbreak of

655
00:29:36,250 --> 00:29:34,159
counter mutilation reports it's just

656
00:29:37,690 --> 00:29:36,260
it's you know it might just be a

657
00:29:39,220 --> 00:29:37,700
coincidence but I find it very

658
00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:39,230
compelling myself

659
00:29:43,810 --> 00:29:42,020
well Kiel and I talked a lot about this

660
00:29:46,090 --> 00:29:43,820
and there's a slippery slope here

661
00:29:48,490 --> 00:29:46,100
because what occurs of course is when

662
00:29:51,010 --> 00:29:48,500
teal or Jerry Clark or I are you guys

663
00:29:52,690 --> 00:29:51,020
would go into an area we would be very

664
00:29:55,630 --> 00:29:52,700
open to everybody telling us about

665
00:29:57,159 --> 00:29:55,640
everything right and nobody had talked

666
00:30:00,250 --> 00:29:57,169
to him about anything they had been

667
00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:00,260
ridiculed so you have any kind of

668
00:30:04,930 --> 00:30:03,260
phenomena happen in that area people who

669
00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:04,940
had seen something else are going to

670
00:30:11,409 --> 00:30:07,580
come forward because the racheal curtain

671
00:30:13,539 --> 00:30:11,419
all of a sudden falls right so we have

672
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,549
to be careful about making the

673
00:30:18,669 --> 00:30:15,679
connections that are more to do with

674
00:30:20,350 --> 00:30:18,679
human psychology right but also it's

675
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:20,360
just a matter of looking at a timeline

676
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,850
and seeing the kinds of things that did

677
00:30:28,690 --> 00:30:25,520
happen in it on that timeline

678
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,700
sometimes you see what appear to be kind

679
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,320
of faint patterns in there and it's good

680
00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:32,240
to at least check them out like the

681
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:34,700
black cat sightings down and I think it

682
00:30:40,029 --> 00:30:37,520
was southwestern Illinois that have been

683
00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:40,039
reported for I think a couple hundred

684
00:30:46,419 --> 00:30:43,460
years that area was right across the

685
00:30:49,659 --> 00:30:46,429
river from a major cattle mutilation

686
00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:49,669
area and also I think some of the was

687
00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:51,260
that I think the later

688
00:30:56,289 --> 00:30:53,900
Momo sightings occurred just across the

689
00:30:59,980 --> 00:30:56,299
river from that area right the River

690
00:31:02,529 --> 00:30:59,990
Road near st. Albans yep but you got to

691
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:02,539
remember that keeled guy got cattle

692
00:31:09,370 --> 00:31:05,590
mutilations in Point Pleasant and right

693
00:31:12,490 --> 00:31:09,380
in Pennsylvania in the late 60s right

694
00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:12,500
yep exactly it in wonderful Ivan

695
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:14,630
Sanderson uncovered some up there with

696
00:31:19,270 --> 00:31:16,970
him as well I think yeah I'll never

697
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:19,280
forget in the 70s in the middle of night

698
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:20,570
I got a call from the Sheriff's

699
00:31:25,630 --> 00:31:23,090
Department I was a big deal and got in

700
00:31:27,159 --> 00:31:25,640
my car and drove about a hundred miles

701
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:27,169
and found a cattle mutilation in the

702
00:31:32,169 --> 00:31:29,690
middle of New Hampshire so they're all

703
00:31:35,380 --> 00:31:32,179
over yeah well did you know Betty Hill

704
00:31:38,790 --> 00:31:35,390
investigated the other New Hampshire

705
00:31:43,050 --> 00:31:38,800
Academy relation case in the early 80s

706
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:43,060
yeah the Charles Witten case uh-huh only

707
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:44,410
two have ever been reported in New

708
00:31:50,270 --> 00:31:46,210
Hampshire by the way to my knowledge

709
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:50,280
none in name Wow not in mine I

710
00:31:55,020 --> 00:31:53,110
investigated true in New Hampshire so

711
00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:55,030
maybe there's three or four yeah

712
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,190
possibly they didn't make the papers if

713
00:32:01,440 --> 00:31:59,200
there were so so what have you been up

714
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,450
to lately what kind of projects do you

715
00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:04,240
have going obviously crypto mundo one of

716
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:07,480
my my favorite go-to sites just you know

717
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:10,140
tons of breaking news always there

718
00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:13,140
you're really behind I had a real

719
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,160
definite political falling-out with

720
00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:17,440
crypto mundo on the left there in

721
00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:19,870
January of 2013

722
00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:22,120
oh I didn't know that yeah well

723
00:32:26,370 --> 00:32:24,190
ecologies that's part of the problem

724
00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:26,380
it's hard to get your name off of there

725
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:29,830
because of you just throws the site and

726
00:32:37,860 --> 00:32:32,710
throws me out so he left me there so I'm

727
00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:37,870
still you know Greg did this yes I'm

728
00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:39,190
sorry Laura I didn't realize that I

729
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:45,040
wouldn't have to do welcome to the panel

730
00:32:49,950 --> 00:32:46,860
yeah really

731
00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:49,960
and they blog called crypto Zoo news

732
00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:53,080
which it was in yeah I didn't realize

733
00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:56,350
that was you okay well yeah crypto

734
00:33:00,660 --> 00:32:58,510
Zoomers because a lot of us came on to

735
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:00,670
crypto mandalas writers in the beginning

736
00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:03,310
right and we all had letter heads you

737
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:05,350
know we all had and part of the problem

738
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:07,090
was that all disappeared so it could

739
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:09,910
just be Craig and Jolanda so I'm not

740
00:33:14,940 --> 00:33:11,890
going to go into it too deeply but a lot

741
00:33:18,090 --> 00:33:14,950
of us so anyway I just want to go into

742
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:18,100
it but I'm not associated with that site

743
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:20,770
he still has five thousand my blogs on

744
00:33:26,010 --> 00:33:23,650
there right looks like I'm still writing

745
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:26,020
there or something so sometimes I wish

746
00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:27,850
that whole site would just disappear so

747
00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:30,280
my blogs would disappear from there

748
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:32,590
because I'm not writing there yeah like

749
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:36,130
you owe me yeah yeah two and a half

750
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,690
years later I mean or a year and a half

751
00:33:42,030 --> 00:33:39,760
later people still think I'm 94 clips on

752
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:42,040
Monday yeah well if anybody besides the

753
00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:45,450
blogs and that writings on on doing

754
00:33:52,499 --> 00:33:49,390
really since the museum that I created

755
00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:52,509
those downtown in 2009 Oh

756
00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:54,190
a lot of my efforts have been going into

757
00:34:00,449 --> 00:33:57,820
preserving archives preserving different

758
00:34:03,719 --> 00:34:00,459
artifacts that used to be thrown away

759
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:03,729
used to be put in dumpsters and the

760
00:34:07,439 --> 00:34:06,159
museum is quite huge now it's over ten

761
00:34:10,259 --> 00:34:07,449
thousand items in it

762
00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:10,269
and we get well into ten thousand

763
00:34:15,539 --> 00:34:12,669
visitors a year and well expanding all

764
00:34:18,839 --> 00:34:15,549
the time and and different things like

765
00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:18,849
that so that takes all and we've been on

766
00:34:23,819 --> 00:34:21,190
quite a few mysteries at the museum

767
00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:23,829
Travel Channel Discovery Channel right

768
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:26,200
on TV with that and that's a way to

769
00:34:32,970 --> 00:34:29,609
really get the message out there that

770
00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:32,980
you have a fairly fairly highly visible

771
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:34,990
Facebook presence as well which is where

772
00:34:39,389 --> 00:34:36,609
I get a lot of my news about what you're

773
00:34:42,419 --> 00:34:39,399
up to simply aren't on Facebook yeah

774
00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:42,429
Twitter and Facebook I I felt even

775
00:34:47,490 --> 00:34:44,740
though I wasn't sure about it a couple

776
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:47,500
three years ago I I got on there to

777
00:34:53,129 --> 00:34:51,369
really keep in touch with fans and keep

778
00:34:55,409 --> 00:34:53,139
in touch with people that wanted to come

779
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:55,419
to the museum that's worked out fairly

780
00:35:01,559 --> 00:34:59,410
well and I think don't you know I don't

781
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:01,569
do too much personal things on there

782
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:05,049
well what I eat for breakfast or much

783
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:06,910
store or restaurant and going through

784
00:35:22,589 --> 00:35:19,890
I have about 3,000 followers on Twitter

785
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:22,599
and 3,000 different ones on Facebook

786
00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:25,089
sort it works out well you know I want

787
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,500
to ask you something kind of crazy I'm

788
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:28,480
going to have to break in a moment here

789
00:35:32,609 --> 00:35:30,910
so we can start the answer I saw a story

790
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:32,619
the other day and it might relate to

791
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:35,440
something the jab on your crypto zoom

792
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:38,710
news site called new Nessie sonar image

793
00:35:45,059 --> 00:35:42,910
and that is some people claim they were

794
00:35:49,259 --> 00:35:45,069
able to see something that appeared to

795
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:49,269
be the Loch Ness monster using apples

796
00:35:53,549 --> 00:35:51,130
mapping feature that you have on the

797
00:35:56,309 --> 00:35:53,559
iPhone as opposed to the Google Maps

798
00:35:58,410 --> 00:35:56,319
feature did you ever hear of this well

799
00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:58,420
there's I think you Chuck and maybe

800
00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:00,420
about two different things there was a

801
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,400
there's been those pictures that people

802
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:05,200
are getting off of Google Earth and

803
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:06,430
Apple Earth

804
00:36:12,329 --> 00:36:08,410
and those look like the wake of boats

805
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:12,339
and then this morning May first this

806
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:16,410
morning in Scotland there was a factual

807
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,839
posting of a new sonar image and it

808
00:36:24,420 --> 00:36:22,240
looks like it looks like a you

809
00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:24,430
upside-down you through the water and

810
00:36:29,579 --> 00:36:26,950
people are saying that that's Matthew oh

811
00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:29,589
boy let's do the break let's do the

812
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:32,200
break and then get it for this right we

813
00:36:37,049 --> 00:36:34,660
have Loren Coleman Nessie hmm

814
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:37,059
Loren Coleman joining gene and Chris

815
00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:40,250
you're in the para cast

816
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:49,410
not just an alternative to the

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the power cast forms okay so did they

937
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discover Loch Ness monster with Apple

938
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Maps maybe not we have Loren Coleman to

939
00:42:25,569 --> 00:42:21,950
set us straight so you have the story on

940
00:42:27,609 --> 00:42:25,579
your site this new sonar image and you

941
00:42:30,490 --> 00:42:27,619
said something is upside down in the

942
00:42:33,730 --> 00:42:30,500
image no I was trying to describe it to

943
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:33,740
people haha okay you it looks like a you

944
00:42:38,530 --> 00:42:35,930
upside down I'm looking at it now yes

945
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:38,540
and so it's showing something going

946
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:40,730
through the water supposedly those are

947
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:43,250
sonar images but as it's been pointed

948
00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:44,900
out by other people

949
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:47,630
we need different dimensions to really

950
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:50,750
see a scale and see a few other things

951
00:42:54,910 --> 00:42:52,910
so it's wonderful for any of these

952
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:54,920
newspapers to put those in there and get

953
00:42:58,660 --> 00:42:57,200
everybody excited but it only goes so

954
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:58,670
far

955
00:43:03,859 --> 00:43:01,380
it's you know the jury's still out so to

956
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:03,869
speak certainly in in Scotland they're

957
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:06,510
very interested in the summer is coming

958
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:09,000
and it's time for people to go to Loch

959
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:11,609
Ness and look for nasty you know we've

960
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:13,710
been looking for Nessie for as long as I

961
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,000
could remember as long as I've been

962
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:18,000
alive we've been looking for Nessie how

963
00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:20,040
big is this Loch and why is it so

964
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:22,109
difficult to find something there if

965
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:24,300
there is a creature there's an enormous

966
00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:27,599
loss it's over 23 miles long there's

967
00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:30,030
some points where it's a mile across but

968
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:32,580
that's only one dimension there's places

969
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:35,369
in Loch Ness there are over a thousand

970
00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:37,859
feet deep and that's been said by

971
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:40,080
certain mathematicians that there's

972
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:43,020
enough water in Loch Ness to bury every

973
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:45,650
person on earth under six feet of water

974
00:43:52,339 --> 00:43:49,710
so it has an enormous volume even the

975
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:52,349
operation deep scan where they put six

976
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:54,119
or seven votes because sonar and went

977
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:57,050
from one to another they only could scan

978
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:01,200
60% of the depth of the water there are

979
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:04,020
caves there probably we know that

980
00:44:10,310 --> 00:44:06,180
there's over 40 sightings of the

981
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:10,320
creature on land crossing roads so just

982
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:12,570
because it's in Loch Ness doesn't mean

983
00:44:17,810 --> 00:44:15,210
it couldn't be someplace else it's only

984
00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:17,820
six miles down the river Ness to the

985
00:44:25,099 --> 00:44:20,580
ocean so there's lots of factors and

986
00:44:28,310 --> 00:44:25,109
variables it doesn't it really says that

987
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:28,320
we may have missed was there that the

988
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:30,900
numbers are probably small it's a having

989
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:33,420
something that not one Loch Ness monster

990
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:35,970
it's a breeding population but there

991
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:39,599
doesn't have to be too many for it to be

992
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:42,810
seen occasionally so is there a way with

993
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:45,480
all our science all our technology to

994
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:48,030
really get this nailed down once and for

995
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:51,170
all not really yet I think that

996
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:54,570
everybody feel the God of Technology is

997
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:57,570
going to you know film Bigfoot on your

998
00:45:02,359 --> 00:45:00,359
cell phone or be able to use some kind

999
00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:02,369
of technology and scan lakes well

1000
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:04,500
there's a lot of peak in that legs

1001
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:06,210
there's a lot of hidden areas in the

1002
00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:09,720
lake and it's not gonna we don't have

1003
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:11,700
any magic way of can

1004
00:45:18,829 --> 00:45:15,180
lately making everything more visible

1005
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:18,839
and lochness okay there's a lot of peat

1006
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:21,089
it's it's a lot of the water is real

1007
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:24,210
smoky and it's very thick with organic

1008
00:45:31,819 --> 00:45:28,770
material yeah and yet I'm you know I'm a

1009
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,829
skeptically open-minded cryptozoologist

1010
00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:34,640
and I must say that of all of the

1011
00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:38,339
decrypted there's probably a 50/50

1012
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:40,859
chance that the Loch Ness monsters

1013
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:43,410
actually exists because there's a lot

1014
00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:47,040
better reports from other legs there's a

1015
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:50,820
long history of people dumping a lot of

1016
00:45:54,609 --> 00:45:52,530
money into the search for the Loch Ness

1017
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:54,619
monster and not coming up with too much

1018
00:46:00,160 --> 00:45:57,210
but of course one of the problems is

1019
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:00,170
that it doesn't leave footprints just go

1020
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:02,970
evidence it's hard to get from a lake

1021
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:05,160
like that so we're gonna have some

1022
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:07,710
frustrating searches still into the

1023
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:08,280
future

1024
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,210
well what freshwater cryptid let's say

1025
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:14,880
do you feel has the strongest likelihood

1026
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:17,310
of existing and and maybe the first one

1027
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:20,250
that we actually determine Israel well

1028
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:22,020
we certainly know that some of the lakes

1029
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:25,920
in Alaska have giant white creatures in

1030
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:28,920
them that look like beluga whales never

1031
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:30,930
been photographed never been caught but

1032
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:33,569
there's compelling evidence that those

1033
00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:36,930
may actually be real there's some of the

1034
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:40,380
smaller lakes around the world even like

1035
00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:42,450
Champlain it has questions because it

1036
00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:45,750
freezes over here's a life that looks

1037
00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:48,599
about as large as Loch Ness lots of

1038
00:46:57,490 --> 00:46:55,380
reports since 1813 1816 but not a lot of

1039
00:46:59,960 --> 00:46:57,500
evidence other than photographs Oh

1040
00:47:02,240 --> 00:46:59,970
photographs just don't make it as you

1041
00:47:03,250 --> 00:47:02,250
well know well it's from your fields of

1042
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:03,260
your photos

1043
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:05,339
photographs you really don't convince

1044
00:47:11,059 --> 00:47:07,710
any scientists not now they don't not

1045
00:47:13,099 --> 00:47:11,069
with the affordable CGI technology and

1046
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:13,109
really good modeling software and

1047
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:14,760
everything else the the hoaxes are

1048
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,609
getting ridiculously good and it's

1049
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:20,040
really gonna blur the line between what

1050
00:47:24,019 --> 00:47:21,720
is accepted as real and what's being

1051
00:47:27,089 --> 00:47:24,029
programmed to be believed Israel

1052
00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:27,099
versus reality itself I mean there are

1053
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:29,190
some sites online that they they don't

1054
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:32,049
differentiate between obvious hoaxes and

1055
00:47:38,250 --> 00:47:35,440
what could be real real footage and that

1056
00:47:40,349 --> 00:47:38,260
has a tendency to to kind of miss

1057
00:47:42,690 --> 00:47:40,359
educate people and and people start

1058
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:42,700
believing this this this fabricated sort

1059
00:47:47,279 --> 00:47:44,710
of fantasy version of a particular

1060
00:47:50,099 --> 00:47:47,289
phenomenon whether it's Bigfoot or UFOs

1061
00:47:53,009 --> 00:47:50,109
or ghosts it's almost like the culture

1062
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:53,019
is is creating its own belief system and

1063
00:47:57,779 --> 00:47:55,450
putting a face on it right you have the

1064
00:48:00,599 --> 00:47:57,789
movie the hunt for instance I was

1065
00:48:04,009 --> 00:48:00,609
willing to fo looking for the thylacine

1066
00:48:07,620 --> 00:48:04,019
and after that film came out people

1067
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:07,630
extracted the CG thylacine uploaded

1068
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:09,609
online and said they had new footage of

1069
00:48:16,019 --> 00:48:13,359
a existing thylacine hotels meaning

1070
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,029
tiger it's it's a detriment you know

1071
00:48:20,970 --> 00:48:18,160
YouTube has been the worst possible

1072
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:20,980
thing to happen for cryptozoology right

1073
00:48:25,319 --> 00:48:23,170
well what do you think of some of the

1074
00:48:27,630 --> 00:48:25,329
recent footage and evidence has come out

1075
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:27,640
in Bigfoot realm I just saw recently

1076
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,930
last day or two

1077
00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:30,880
some purported footage from British

1078
00:48:33,749 --> 00:48:32,140
Columbia high up in the mountains on a

1079
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:33,759
big snow field and it appears to be a

1080
00:48:38,849 --> 00:48:36,130
small a small dot in the distance that

1081
00:48:40,410 --> 00:48:38,859
that could be fairly large based on you

1082
00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:40,420
know what appears to be the perspective

1083
00:48:45,509 --> 00:48:43,000
in the distances involved that this is a

1084
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:45,519
fairly large it looks like an upright

1085
00:48:51,329 --> 00:48:48,970
form walking in the middle of BF nowhere

1086
00:48:53,099 --> 00:48:51,339
I mean on it looks like it's on maven

1087
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,109
being near a glacier or something have

1088
00:48:57,569 --> 00:48:55,359
you seen that I think it's a part of a

1089
00:48:59,700 --> 00:48:57,579
part of my problem was most of the

1090
00:49:03,150 --> 00:48:59,710
footage of course is but there's usually

1091
00:49:06,329 --> 00:49:03,160
no scale it's extremely far away and

1092
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:06,339
distance the blow-ups lose any kind of

1093
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:09,430
definition of details on the one thing

1094
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:11,529
that we need to know the most about is

1095
00:49:17,999 --> 00:49:14,650
who took it why did they take it why are

1096
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:18,009
they you know showing this to us now in

1097
00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:19,930
other words one of the first questions

1098
00:49:24,569 --> 00:49:22,630
we used to ask in the 70s when somebody

1099
00:49:26,819 --> 00:49:24,579
brought a footprint to us or a report

1100
00:49:29,309 --> 00:49:26,829
was to do a psychosocial of the

1101
00:49:32,490 --> 00:49:29,319
individual you had credibility check

1102
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:32,500
right a lot of the researchers online

1103
00:49:38,310 --> 00:49:35,950
skip that the glitz and God you know

1104
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:40,170
you have against the footage whatever

1105
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:41,710
it's what everybody's talking about and

1106
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:44,650
they're forgetting about interpret right

1107
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:48,400
yeah these anonymous photographs and and

1108
00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:51,010
you know clips of video for instance

1109
00:49:55,140 --> 00:49:53,230
that appear you really have to question

1110
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:55,150
them right off the bat because they're

1111
00:49:59,160 --> 00:49:56,410
not going on the record

1112
00:50:00,660 --> 00:49:59,170
they're not stating who they are why

1113
00:50:02,130 --> 00:50:00,670
they were taking the footage as you

1114
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:02,140
mentioned which is a really important

1115
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:03,900
question why did you take a picture of

1116
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,290
that place in the sky you know and and

1117
00:50:13,770 --> 00:50:10,240
and why didn't you go over there and see

1118
00:50:16,530 --> 00:50:13,780
if they're wearing tracks over there why

1119
00:50:18,660 --> 00:50:16,540
didn't you get closer you know what is

1120
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:18,670
this about why did you turn the camera

1121
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:23,410
off right there right right so I know we

1122
00:50:27,570 --> 00:50:25,090
may be in the old guard and we may be

1123
00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:27,580
the old guys with kind of conventional

1124
00:50:32,430 --> 00:50:29,980
go to the end of your detective story

1125
00:50:35,310 --> 00:50:32,440
but I still think that's the way to do

1126
00:50:37,230 --> 00:50:35,320
it yeah there's no substitute for asking

1127
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:37,240
the right question with the proper

1128
00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:41,770
timing and yeah what I found is based on

1129
00:50:46,740 --> 00:50:43,840
my field experience which is you know

1130
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:46,750
going 20 years back which isn't very far

1131
00:50:50,610 --> 00:50:49,510
compared to yours and others but but 20

1132
00:50:53,010 --> 00:50:50,620
years ago I mean it was pretty

1133
00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:53,020
cut-and-dried there was no internet I

1134
00:50:58,110 --> 00:50:55,780
was dealing with rural people that

1135
00:51:01,830 --> 00:50:58,120
really didn't want publicity they had no

1136
00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:01,840
reason to state something outrageous in

1137
00:51:05,810 --> 00:51:03,430
fact oftentimes they're almost

1138
00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:05,820
embarrassed and many times I had to

1139
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:07,990
approach them and convince him it was

1140
00:51:13,530 --> 00:51:11,650
okay because they refused so seems

1141
00:51:15,150 --> 00:51:13,540
different now you know if you're not

1142
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:15,160
face to face with somebody it's it's

1143
00:51:20,430 --> 00:51:17,410
pretty difficult to ascertain their

1144
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,440
motivations who they are you know do as

1145
00:51:24,270 --> 00:51:22,720
you put a credibility check on them and

1146
00:51:26,010 --> 00:51:24,280
that's something that I hope we don't

1147
00:51:28,170 --> 00:51:26,020
lose with this new generation of

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[Applause]

1206
00:54:03,260 --> 00:53:58,960
welcome back into the para cast the gold

1207
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standard of paranormal radio and now

1208
00:54:14,370 --> 00:54:12,040
here's Jane Steinberg Loren Coleman is

1209
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:14,380
on line with us today on the para cast

1210
00:54:18,809 --> 00:54:16,450
we're focusing on all sorts of

1211
00:54:22,020 --> 00:54:18,819
cryptozoological subjects and I thought

1212
00:54:25,170 --> 00:54:22,030
before we get into more topics Loren

1213
00:54:26,579 --> 00:54:25,180
maybe we could kind of set maybe some of

1214
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:26,589
the newer listeners straight about all

1215
00:54:30,569 --> 00:54:28,510
this because you know when they think

1216
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:30,579
about cryptozoology everyone thinks okay

1217
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:32,650
it's got Bigfoot and we've got a Loch

1218
00:54:37,950 --> 00:54:35,050
Ness monster in this and that what about

1219
00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:37,960
the myths what about the things that

1220
00:54:43,740 --> 00:54:41,500
people know or believe or expect about

1221
00:54:47,250 --> 00:54:43,750
this subject there are just dead wrong

1222
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:47,260
maybe go through a few things well first

1223
00:54:52,349 --> 00:54:49,380
of all the way I look at the field

1224
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:52,359
cryptozoology is a study of hidden or

1225
00:54:57,420 --> 00:54:54,250
unknown animals animals that we're

1226
00:55:01,559 --> 00:54:57,430
trying to find but maybe new species or

1227
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:01,569
species were recently extinct and that

1228
00:55:08,030 --> 00:55:05,770
we can rediscover now among the cryptids

1229
00:55:11,130 --> 00:55:08,040
as we call them the one among the

1230
00:55:13,789 --> 00:55:11,140
animals that we're looking for there's

1231
00:55:17,730 --> 00:55:13,799
what I call the celebrity cryptids

1232
00:55:20,910 --> 00:55:17,740
Bigfoot Yeti Loch Ness monster and

1233
00:55:23,609 --> 00:55:20,920
during the 18th century it was the sea

1234
00:55:26,460 --> 00:55:23,619
serpent so those are the big the big

1235
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:26,470
names and of course with our changing

1236
00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:28,980
culture another big big one is

1237
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:31,900
chupacabras so those are the ones that

1238
00:55:35,339 --> 00:55:33,490
everybody wants to come into the museum

1239
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:35,349
everybody wants to talk about Bigfoot

1240
00:55:42,450 --> 00:55:38,410
but at any one time around the world

1241
00:55:44,250 --> 00:55:42,460
there is maybe 200 other cryptids that

1242
00:55:47,130 --> 00:55:44,260
people are looking for and that they're

1243
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:47,140
actually trying to find now the

1244
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:49,690
difference between myths and legends

1245
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:52,630
myths are things that are made from

1246
00:56:00,089 --> 00:55:57,040
human imagination like Griffins like

1247
00:56:03,390 --> 00:56:00,099
centaurs things like that those are not

1248
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:03,400
part of cryptozoology legendary

1249
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:06,790
creatures such as Bigfoot Loch Ness

1250
00:56:09,940 --> 00:56:08,090
monster the

1251
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:09,950
based on legends that are which your

1252
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:12,200
legends of course mean that there's some

1253
00:56:17,170 --> 00:56:15,170
kind of fire beneath the smoke those are

1254
00:56:20,730 --> 00:56:17,180
what cryptozoologist you're interested

1255
00:56:23,170 --> 00:56:20,740
in native traditions legends folk art

1256
00:56:25,690 --> 00:56:23,180
eyewitness sightings and then we get

1257
00:56:28,270 --> 00:56:25,700
into the physical evidence footprints

1258
00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:28,280
hair samples and then things like

1259
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,190
photographs so that's the cryptozoology

1260
00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:33,680
is all about a lot of people come to me

1261
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:36,140
and they want me to send them everything

1262
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:38,330
I have for their term paper that's

1263
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:39,650
pretty hard to do that's why I've

1264
00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:41,210
written 30 books so they can read the

1265
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,060
books or go online or even use google

1266
00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:46,640
but you know I do keep those written

1267
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:49,910
requests every day and try to help

1268
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:51,890
people but it gets to be very

1269
00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:54,110
frustrating because when I was starting

1270
00:56:59,080 --> 00:56:57,710
in 1960 there was probably five of us in

1271
00:57:02,100 --> 00:56:59,090
the country that were interested in

1272
00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:02,110
Bigfoot in cryptozoology and now it's

1273
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:05,350
thousands upon thousands of people

1274
00:57:11,590 --> 00:57:09,200
cryptozoologist in training and they see

1275
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:11,600
a footprint in their backyard

1276
00:57:15,940 --> 00:57:14,000
they don't look in animal's track books

1277
00:57:18,790 --> 00:57:15,950
they immediately assume it's some kind

1278
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:18,800
of cryptids it's probably a squirrel or

1279
00:57:25,630 --> 00:57:22,160
a bunny rabbit but it happens over and

1280
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:25,640
over again and the chupacabras has been

1281
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:28,570
a major problem because the original

1282
00:57:34,750 --> 00:57:32,210
chupacabras in 1995 in Puerto Rico we're

1283
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,760
all bipedal it all had a little hair on

1284
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:37,280
them right and then that morphed when it

1285
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:41,330
went to Texas next media and it's become

1286
00:57:46,660 --> 00:57:44,510
anything that's doglike with four legs

1287
00:57:49,810 --> 00:57:46,670
and doesn't have hair on it and those

1288
00:57:53,830 --> 00:57:49,820
are mostly dogs coyotes and foxes with

1289
00:57:57,570 --> 00:57:53,840
mange so that one area chupacabras shows

1290
00:58:01,390 --> 00:57:57,580
how crazy the media and the morphing of

1291
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:01,400
crypto zoological Salama has become it's

1292
00:58:05,890 --> 00:58:03,920
really got out of hand and that's one of

1293
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:05,900
the most frequent the mainstream Meany

1294
00:58:12,430 --> 00:58:09,530
media get hold of me Christian Science

1295
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:12,440
Monitor finds a picture of a dead animal

1296
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,450
on a road and they call me up and they

1297
00:58:19,420 --> 00:58:16,640
said we think we found a chupacabra

1298
00:58:21,730 --> 00:58:19,430
and I think no you found a picture of a

1299
00:58:24,670 --> 00:58:21,740
dead raccoon but

1300
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:24,680
happening that happens every every

1301
00:58:29,530 --> 00:58:27,410
spring and summer so and it's gonna keep

1302
00:58:34,450 --> 00:58:29,540
happening there's an item on your

1303
00:58:38,109 --> 00:58:34,460
website crypto zoom is calm and it's

1304
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:38,119
called a global call for DNA evidence of

1305
00:58:43,390 --> 00:58:40,730
cryptids now I heard some time back they

1306
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:43,400
were trying to put that together and it

1307
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:45,710
didn't quite come together what happened

1308
00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:48,110
well I think there was a couple

1309
00:58:52,990 --> 00:58:50,270
situations a couple of years ago one was

1310
00:58:56,730 --> 00:58:53,000
by a woman in Texas who was a

1311
00:58:59,859 --> 00:58:56,740
veterinarian and she headed a DNA lab

1312
00:59:03,430 --> 00:58:59,869
she tried to get hold of all of these

1313
00:59:05,350 --> 00:59:03,440
samples of Bigfoot DNA and different

1314
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:05,360
people would send in a stick of a

1315
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:08,000
Bigfoot or a hair and she started

1316
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:09,650
publishing well she got very upset

1317
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:12,290
because nobody would take her paper so

1318
00:59:16,930 --> 00:59:14,450
she bought a journal and then published

1319
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:16,940
her paper in and started saying things

1320
00:59:22,750 --> 00:59:19,970
like there was a connection 13,000 years

1321
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:22,760
ago and angels from heaven had mated

1322
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:24,770
with Bigfoot and that was a result of

1323
00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:27,170
what she was finding in other words in

1324
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:29,470
other words she was very discredited

1325
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:33,440
watching the results at the same time

1326
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:35,330
well a little bit later

1327
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:39,310
Oxford University your dr. Brian stikes

1328
00:59:45,099 --> 00:59:42,730
actually started collecting all of the

1329
00:59:48,190 --> 00:59:45,109
hominid samples that he could from

1330
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:48,200
around the world and he actually did it

1331
00:59:54,310 --> 00:59:51,200
very scientifically and skeptically and

1332
00:59:57,370 --> 00:59:54,320
he actually discovered out of his

1333
01:00:00,700 --> 00:59:57,380
hundreds of samples of Yeti here the two

1334
01:00:04,660 --> 01:00:00,710
of them matched with a forty thousand

1335
01:00:07,060 --> 01:00:04,670
year old ancient polar bear strand that

1336
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:07,070
back then the polar bear would have been

1337
01:00:14,109 --> 01:00:11,210
found and that that was kind of a lot of

1338
01:00:16,690 --> 01:00:14,119
people in the media lost it they said

1339
01:00:18,730 --> 01:00:16,700
Yeti is a bear and that was the

1340
01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:18,740
headlines but what he really was saying

1341
01:00:25,540 --> 01:00:21,830
and what he discovered is a supposedly

1342
01:00:27,849 --> 01:00:25,550
extinct brown bear a prehistoric brown

1343
01:00:30,099 --> 01:00:27,859
bear that's in the branch of polar bears

1344
01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:30,109
of the branching off has been

1345
01:00:35,650 --> 01:00:33,430
rediscovered the hair samples were from

1346
01:00:39,819 --> 01:00:35,660
30 years ago and

1347
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:39,829
recently as 2007 so we still know

1348
01:00:45,099 --> 01:00:41,839
there's something quite exciting out

1349
01:00:47,289 --> 01:00:45,109
there that some people are saying it

1350
01:00:50,589 --> 01:00:47,299
always a yeti-like creature but the word

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01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:50,599
Yeti is very global over in Nepal all

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01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:53,089
kinds of unknown creatures can be called

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01:00:57,279 --> 01:00:55,250
Yeti where'd those hair samples come

1354
01:00:58,839 --> 01:00:57,289
from Lauren that that were determined to

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01:01:01,089 --> 01:00:58,849
be an extinct

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01:01:03,309 --> 01:01:01,099
you know polar bear basically where'd

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01:01:06,460 --> 01:01:03,319
they come from the Himalayas well one of

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01:01:08,589 --> 01:01:06,470
them one of them was individual who was

1359
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:08,599
a hiker over there an investigator and

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01:01:13,630 --> 01:01:11,089
he was he was back tracking a report

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01:01:15,789 --> 01:01:13,640
that somebody had killed a Yeti he

1362
01:01:19,180 --> 01:01:15,799
tracked down the individual that had

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01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:19,190
done that in the night in 1970s got a

1364
01:01:24,849 --> 01:01:21,770
hairy sack alone so at Oxford University

1365
01:01:27,339 --> 01:01:24,859
the other one was with a documentary

1366
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:27,349
team in the 2000s that had gone over

1367
01:01:36,130 --> 01:01:30,559
there to hunt for Yeti not only where we

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01:01:38,049 --> 01:01:36,140
talk to the Himalayas Tibet yeah and

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01:01:41,710 --> 01:01:38,059
they had found a hair sample on a tree

1370
01:01:43,059 --> 01:01:41,720
so these were certainly hair samples

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01:01:48,029 --> 01:01:43,069
where we could track down where they

1372
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:48,039
were from in Nepal and that they were in

1373
01:01:56,049 --> 01:01:50,930
8800 miles apart with the samples that

1374
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:56,059
the creature exactly 100% DNA match with

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01:02:05,069 --> 01:02:01,039
a jawbone of a ancient there it was dug

1376
01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:05,079
up in Norway so it was quite an exciting

1377
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:08,390
find that I think really got diminished

1378
01:02:14,109 --> 01:02:11,510
by the madness of the media ah the

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01:02:15,940 --> 01:02:14,119
madness of the media the bane of our

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01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:15,950
doesn't company excluded of course

1381
01:02:20,890 --> 01:02:17,869
well we're not mad which is completely

1382
01:02:22,660 --> 01:02:20,900
outrageous is a difference so the new

1383
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:22,670
project that we're talking about the one

1384
01:02:30,250 --> 01:02:26,240
that's mentioned on my of my blog we're

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01:02:32,109 --> 01:02:30,260
doing in conjunction with Oxford and the

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01:02:34,210 --> 01:02:32,119
documentary film team that's going to

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01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:34,220
that's where all the money's coming from

1388
01:02:39,220 --> 01:02:37,010
by the way you know nobody none of the

1389
01:02:41,980 --> 01:02:39,230
wealthy people or universities really

1390
01:02:43,809 --> 01:02:41,990
fund anything is its documentary film

1391
01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:43,819
companies and television networks that

1392
01:02:48,279 --> 01:02:46,670
are funding all of the new cryptozoology

1393
01:02:49,330 --> 01:02:48,289
research unfortunately but that's the

1394
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:49,340
way that's the only way

1395
01:02:56,110 --> 01:02:52,130
we're gathering samples other than mr.

1396
01:02:58,330 --> 01:02:56,120
cats or Bigfoot mystery bears from all

1397
01:03:00,730 --> 01:02:58,340
over the world and people are sending in

1398
01:03:03,130 --> 01:03:00,740
some interesting things I've I've got a

1399
01:03:06,130 --> 01:03:03,140
sample for instance coming this week

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01:03:08,860 --> 01:03:06,140
from France some fecal material that was

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01:03:10,330 --> 01:03:08,870
collected in British Columbia so that's

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01:03:15,790 --> 01:03:10,340
kind of interesting to look at that

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01:03:18,730 --> 01:03:15,800
little Tupperware again okay curious

1404
01:03:20,590 --> 01:03:18,740
root somebody brought equal material to

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01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:20,600
Europe and now it's coming back to the

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US yes yes because we're going to they

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apparently are one of the best DNA labs

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in the country is the one out in Oregon

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that the US wildlife people use to

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determine issues Loren Coleman joins us

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I'll have more to say about that DNA

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testing with gene and Chris you're in

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bank accounts confiscation of stocks and

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bonds it makes me wonder if the US

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citizen will ever again have the right

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to life liberty and the pursuit of

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intervention for this reason Midas

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exploiting the boundaries of trading

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01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:12,520
came to our break with Loren Coleman

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01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:15,130
cryptozoologist extraordinaire how do

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01:08:18,930 --> 01:08:17,170
you like that okay I'm just boosting his

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01:08:21,090 --> 01:08:18,940
ego because he consents to come on the

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01:08:24,270 --> 01:08:21,100
show and deal with the likes of me and

1510
01:08:26,910 --> 01:08:24,280
Chris especially seriously having a

1511
01:08:28,590 --> 01:08:26,920
problem with the taking what did they do

1512
01:08:30,420 --> 01:08:28,600
when they when they arrived in France

1513
01:08:32,730 --> 01:08:30,430
how did they declare what they had in

1514
01:08:34,230 --> 01:08:32,740
that Tupperware container it's like do

1515
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:34,240
you have something to declare you know

1516
01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:37,120
and it's like yeah it brought some well

1517
01:08:41,730 --> 01:08:39,190
one of those seven dirty words back with

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01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:41,740
me and that would be a tough one to sign

1519
01:08:46,530 --> 01:08:43,650
out a customs form for I would imagine

1520
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:46,540
well I don't know because we did have

1521
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:49,810
some they wanted me to help them fill

1522
01:08:54,150 --> 01:08:51,970
out the customs form on the way back and

1523
01:08:56,700 --> 01:08:54,160
I well I could say with scientific

1524
01:08:58,260 --> 01:08:56,710
samples for analysis with Museum well

1525
01:08:59,970 --> 01:08:58,270
that's all you have to say yeah I guess

1526
01:09:02,040 --> 01:08:59,980
yeah that would work I mean as long as

1527
01:09:02,700 --> 01:09:02,050
it makes it then you don't have anything

1528
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:02,710
to worry about

1529
01:09:15,540 --> 01:09:06,370
except maybe your terminology fecal

1530
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:15,550
material and Tupperware yeah yeah well

1531
01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:17,050
somebody would probably in customs are

1532
01:09:20,910 --> 01:09:19,030
probably trying to smoke it well what's

1533
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:20,920
the cure so everything's going to be

1534
01:09:23,010 --> 01:09:21,520
opened

1535
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:23,020
way and then they can decide if they're

1536
01:09:27,539 --> 01:09:25,510
gonna write keep it themselves or

1537
01:09:29,610 --> 01:09:27,549
something on are you progressing with

1538
01:09:32,190 --> 01:09:29,620
the study how many samples are you you

1539
01:09:35,190 --> 01:09:32,200
kind of have it as a goal in how many

1540
01:09:38,490 --> 01:09:35,200
have you already gathered well we've got

1541
01:09:39,809 --> 01:09:38,500
a little bit under 20 which is good and

1542
01:09:41,730 --> 01:09:39,819
you know nobody

1543
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,740
you just don't know whenever you put

1544
01:09:45,390 --> 01:09:43,120
something out like that it's on the

1545
01:09:48,329 --> 01:09:45,400
basement send them soon so people are

1546
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:48,339
taking it seriously and we have a few

1547
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:51,250
samples from the 50s that are already in

1548
01:09:56,670 --> 01:09:53,040
the museum from the fifties and sixties

1549
01:09:59,520 --> 01:09:56,680
so we've got a basis things from the

1550
01:10:02,780 --> 01:09:59,530
Himalayas things from a Bigfoot out west

1551
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:02,790
hair samples rank index from Sumatra

1552
01:10:08,490 --> 01:10:05,770
hair samples of one hair sample from

1553
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:08,500
Maui from Australia so it's quite

1554
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:10,330
exciting and then we'll see where those

1555
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:14,530
fins a lot on on whether or not the

1556
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:16,570
University and the documentary film

1557
01:10:20,430 --> 01:10:18,730
company really get their their act

1558
01:10:22,740 --> 01:10:20,440
together we're waiting and we're

1559
01:10:24,510 --> 01:10:22,750
collecting them we show people on the

1560
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,520
Museum of course these samples because

1561
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:26,800
people don't really believe that there's

1562
01:10:31,380 --> 01:10:28,840
physical evidence of these cryptids from

1563
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:31,390
around the world but there are and

1564
01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:33,610
that's what keeps a lot of us going and

1565
01:10:38,250 --> 01:10:36,670
of course as you may have heard there

1566
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:38,260
was a brand new animal that was

1567
01:10:43,890 --> 01:10:41,710
discovered and a tapir to take here so

1568
01:10:47,130 --> 01:10:43,900
those are those little animals with a

1569
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:47,140
little prehensile impose right it was

1570
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:49,090
discovered in Brazil and it was the

1571
01:10:56,370 --> 01:10:53,290
fifth species of a tape here and that's

1572
01:10:57,660 --> 01:10:56,380
a the largest animal that's discovered

1573
01:11:01,020 --> 01:10:57,670
the largest mammal that's been

1574
01:11:04,380 --> 01:11:01,030
discovered in 35 years right they also

1575
01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:04,390
discovered a man a primate a couple of

1576
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:07,270
years back the first America's primate I

1577
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:08,770
think since the 30s or something

1578
01:11:15,050 --> 01:11:11,650
oh yeah well the interesting thing about

1579
01:11:17,550 --> 01:11:15,060
the tapir is that Roosevelt Teddy

1580
01:11:19,940 --> 01:11:17,560
Roosevelt one and there's been one at

1581
01:11:23,490 --> 01:11:19,950
the American Museum of Natural History

1582
01:11:25,980 --> 01:11:23,500
for a hundred years unidentified as a

1583
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:25,990
new species so a lot of these things

1584
01:11:31,470 --> 01:11:27,970
happen right under our nose and we don't

1585
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:31,480
even know it fascinating it really is

1586
01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:33,490
it's a big world out there and there's

1587
01:11:37,530 --> 01:11:35,230
lots of especially in the quad

1588
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:37,540
realm there's lots of undiscovered

1589
01:11:44,940 --> 01:11:41,110
species in the rainforest it's amazing

1590
01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:44,950
that these larger animals however go for

1591
01:11:50,130 --> 01:11:47,230
so long without being you know actually

1592
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:50,140
documented and classified yes but if you

1593
01:11:54,350 --> 01:11:51,610
don't look you'll never find him and

1594
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:54,360
that's what's been going on a lot of

1595
01:12:00,780 --> 01:11:57,250
mainstream scientists just refused to

1596
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:00,790
even consider that big food or sea

1597
01:12:05,370 --> 01:12:03,310
serpents actually exist and that could

1598
01:12:07,950 --> 01:12:05,380
send them condoms when people run across

1599
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:07,960
these new discoveries no I remember

1600
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:10,890
reading some years back about a Japanese

1601
01:12:17,490 --> 01:12:13,450
research vessel in the Antarctic that

1602
01:12:20,940 --> 01:12:17,500
was the film this giant kind of a white

1603
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:20,950
blob kind of creature looks similar to a

1604
01:12:25,410 --> 01:12:23,710
whale but not really and it had some

1605
01:12:27,630 --> 01:12:25,420
Japanese name do you would call that and

1606
01:12:29,940 --> 01:12:27,640
what do you think of the possibility of

1607
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:29,950
larger aquatic animals existing in the

1608
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:31,930
polar and Antarctic region well I

1609
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:34,090
definitely think there was a study done

1610
01:12:41,070 --> 01:12:37,450
recently that said within the next 25

1611
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:41,080
years approximately 12 new large species

1612
01:12:46,530 --> 01:12:43,780
will be found you may be referring to

1613
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:46,540
the one where the the ship pulled up

1614
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:49,600
what looks like a plesiosaur a big blob

1615
01:12:57,060 --> 01:12:52,770
out of the ocean that's got to be a

1616
01:13:01,290 --> 01:12:57,070
decaying basking shark so we have to be

1617
01:13:03,690 --> 01:13:01,300
really careful and and try to make sure

1618
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:03,700
that things that are misidentified don't

1619
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:09,610
go into the literature for too long I'm

1620
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:11,650
just more and more fascinated where

1621
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:13,120
things can go with this but the

1622
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:15,280
impression I get just listening to you

1623
01:13:19,290 --> 01:13:17,440
for the first part of the show is we're

1624
01:13:22,260 --> 01:13:19,300
talking mostly here about unknown

1625
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:22,270
species right here on earth all right

1626
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:25,090
right okay is there anything paranormal

1627
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:27,130
about them I mean a lot of people want

1628
01:13:31,229 --> 01:13:29,050
to take Bigfoot and all these other

1629
01:13:33,630 --> 01:13:31,239
creatures and send them into another

1630
01:13:37,710 --> 01:13:33,640
dimension or have them emerging from a

1631
01:13:39,630 --> 01:13:37,720
UFO is there any of that well first of

1632
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:39,640
all we have to figure out what the word

1633
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:42,970
paranormal means if it means outside the

1634
01:13:49,169 --> 01:13:47,920
normal realm certainly cryptozoology if

1635
01:13:51,449 --> 01:13:49,179
you're talking to a wall

1636
01:13:53,449 --> 01:13:51,459
juster an anthropologist who's been

1637
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:53,459
teaching in a university for a long time

1638
01:13:58,890 --> 01:13:56,050
they will see everything that you're

1639
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:58,900
doing in cryptozoology is either an

1640
01:14:05,219 --> 01:14:02,159
awful word pseudoscience or paranormal

1641
01:14:08,069 --> 01:14:05,229
if you're talking to somebody that's

1642
01:14:09,870 --> 01:14:08,079
afford an or within the field ourselves

1643
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:09,880
here's where we have a problem because a

1644
01:14:16,679 --> 01:14:13,260
lot of people come along and I'm a very

1645
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:16,689
biologically based cryptozoologist my

1646
01:14:22,890 --> 01:14:20,260
main focus is to see if there's new

1647
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:22,900
species out there does not mean that I

1648
01:14:29,370 --> 01:14:25,449
exclude that there may be some other

1649
01:14:33,020 --> 01:14:29,380
aspects of these creatures that are

1650
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:33,030
unexplained for instance is a Bigfoot

1651
01:14:39,209 --> 01:14:35,650
have a highly developed sense of

1652
01:14:41,459 --> 01:14:39,219
telepathy that has done unused in humans

1653
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,469
you could say the same question for

1654
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:43,840
dolphins are dolphins using telepathy

1655
01:14:47,939 --> 01:14:46,510
more than humans it's just that Bigfoot

1656
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:47,949
hasn't been discovered yet

1657
01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:50,050
so a lot of people put that on Bigfoot

1658
01:14:57,569 --> 01:14:53,110
as maybe an attribute that they might

1659
01:15:00,299 --> 01:14:57,579
have do Bigfoot drop out of UFOs I think

1660
01:15:03,929 --> 01:15:00,309
that's a question that is totally

1661
01:15:06,660 --> 01:15:03,939
ridiculous to my sense of research I

1662
01:15:09,239 --> 01:15:06,670
don't need to pursue that there haven't

1663
01:15:10,890 --> 01:15:09,249
been that many reports it's exciting for

1664
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:10,900
a lot of people to go in that direction

1665
01:15:20,699 --> 01:15:15,610
to me it's a dead sidetrack a dead dead

1666
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:20,709
end to my research but I don't diminish

1667
01:15:26,429 --> 01:15:22,449
people who want to look into that

1668
01:15:27,989 --> 01:15:26,439
because I'm very open-minded that you

1669
01:15:29,609 --> 01:15:27,999
know there may be a lot of answers out

1670
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:29,619
there it's just not one I'm interested

1671
01:15:34,679 --> 01:15:32,610
in and not one that I've liked you

1672
01:15:39,029 --> 01:15:34,689
notice you know I've been in this field

1673
01:15:43,259 --> 01:15:39,039
for almost 54 years or over 54 years now

1674
01:15:45,149 --> 01:15:43,269
and it's one that I pursued certainly

1675
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,159
with Jerry Clark we've looked into high

1676
01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:47,920
strangeness Bigfoot's and you also toes

1677
01:15:53,399 --> 01:15:50,409
and all of that when we you know we're

1678
01:15:57,149 --> 01:15:53,409
back down then and it was really it's a

1679
01:15:59,009 --> 01:15:57,159
pursuit that leads nowhere so people

1680
01:16:00,899 --> 01:15:59,019
want to do that fine if that's the

1681
01:16:03,060 --> 01:16:00,909
paranormal that you're talking about

1682
01:16:05,970 --> 01:16:03,070
sure you're going to get people

1683
01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:05,980
who were interested in Mothman and they

1684
01:16:10,890 --> 01:16:08,590
talk about Mothman and UFOs and men in

1685
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black and they ignore that Ivan

1686
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Sanderson John keel and I in the early

1687
01:16:19,620 --> 01:16:16,780
faith got the reports of masked men and

1688
01:16:22,379 --> 01:16:19,630
they were all giant birds giant owls

1689
01:16:24,540 --> 01:16:22,389
giant Thunderbirds whatever they had

1690
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:24,550
nothing mechanical nothing you are so

1691
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related and nothing at all to do with

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giant laws Loren Coleman joins gene and

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800-501-7737 off man prophecies all

1792
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about in that book from John keel first

1793
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:17,489
we have to start with why was it called

1794
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:20,400
Mothman it was called Mothman because a

1795
01:21:27,620 --> 01:21:24,000
newspaper copy editor in Ohio was a fan

1796
01:21:30,050 --> 01:21:27,630
of the Batman series on TV who was tired

1797
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:30,060
he was tired of people calling up the

1798
01:21:35,209 --> 01:21:32,610
Big Bird and the newspapers he wants a

1799
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:35,219
new headline so he called it lost man

1800
01:21:44,770 --> 01:21:38,510
and it stuck so you have the saw Mothman

1801
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:44,780
Mothman then you have John keel who's

1802
01:21:51,709 --> 01:21:48,480
not a ufologist in his own words he

1803
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:51,719
calls himself a demonologist John keel

1804
01:21:57,610 --> 01:21:54,210
comes along as a demonologist he wants

1805
01:22:01,640 --> 01:21:57,620
to look for the creepy underpinnings of

1806
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:01,650
this situation and you got to remember

1807
01:22:09,979 --> 01:22:05,850
truman capote n' and you know the whole

1808
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:09,989
notion of a crime novel John keel kind

1809
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:12,330
of took the same notion with the Mothman

1810
01:22:16,459 --> 01:22:13,040
Prophecies

1811
01:22:19,870 --> 01:22:16,469
which was not his name it was a Saturday

1812
01:22:22,490 --> 01:22:19,880
reveal his publisher gave it that name

1813
01:22:24,860 --> 01:22:22,500
the Mothman Prophecies really all it

1814
01:22:27,860 --> 01:22:24,870
meant was that he thought there was a

1815
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:27,870
banshee like element to the Mothman and

1816
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:30,780
that may have predicted the collapse of

1817
01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:33,360
the bridge but that's not what John was

1818
01:22:36,620 --> 01:22:35,820
really after he was just trying to mix

1819
01:22:39,149 --> 01:22:36,630
together

1820
01:22:42,209 --> 01:22:39,159
mount misery in New York

1821
01:22:44,429 --> 01:22:42,219
and the bloody psychics were telling him

1822
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:44,439
and tried to come up with a good story a

1823
01:22:49,580 --> 01:22:47,530
good chilling story and that's what he

1824
01:22:53,209 --> 01:22:49,590
did this look is brilliant

1825
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,219
but it wasn't anything to do with

1826
01:22:58,589 --> 01:22:55,840
cryptozoology or we're really even

1827
01:23:02,489 --> 01:22:58,599
looking at mythology he was just trying

1828
01:23:04,140 --> 01:23:02,499
to make it into a creepy story well how

1829
01:23:06,750 --> 01:23:04,150
much of that story do you think was real

1830
01:23:11,089 --> 01:23:06,760
and how much was fabricated and and just

1831
01:23:14,429 --> 01:23:11,099
part of his his writing style and

1832
01:23:16,049 --> 01:23:14,439
dramatic content let's say to to jazz

1833
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:16,059
things up I mean how much of it was real

1834
01:23:20,580 --> 01:23:18,159
do you think I think that you've got to

1835
01:23:24,089 --> 01:23:20,590
look at what he did with his stories you

1836
01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:24,099
know that the woody story where the

1837
01:23:34,799 --> 01:23:30,360
creatures seen on the road and yeah

1838
01:23:37,739 --> 01:23:34,809
ended come on and the telephone calls to

1839
01:23:41,370 --> 01:23:37,749
his room and John keel just took all of

1840
01:23:43,770 --> 01:23:41,380
that and put it in a blender and his

1841
01:23:48,060 --> 01:23:43,780
writing style makes people reading that

1842
01:23:51,029 --> 01:23:48,070
think that all is interlinked at all can

1843
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:51,039
cause and effect is all related to each

1844
01:23:53,459 --> 01:23:51,489
other

1845
01:23:56,129 --> 01:23:53,469
and I think that there may have been

1846
01:23:58,409 --> 01:23:56,139
separate incidents you know some people

1847
01:24:01,020 --> 01:23:58,419
that were all age complexions showed up

1848
01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:01,030
in town there may have been our air

1849
01:24:05,790 --> 01:24:03,550
force officers around investigating

1850
01:24:07,969 --> 01:24:05,800
stuff like this even if you start

1851
01:24:10,250 --> 01:24:07,979
breaking it down the Mothman sightings

1852
01:24:13,580 --> 01:24:10,260
happened in the fall and in the spring

1853
01:24:15,540 --> 01:24:13,590
you had the waves of UFO sightings

1854
01:24:18,299 --> 01:24:15,550
separately he started hearing about

1855
01:24:20,250 --> 01:24:18,309
cattle mutilations separately he here

1856
01:24:23,609 --> 01:24:20,260
started hearing about Bigfoot reports

1857
01:24:27,390 --> 01:24:23,619
but John mix it all together because

1858
01:24:30,029 --> 01:24:27,400
that's what John did so the truth is

1859
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:30,039
it's fiction is a fictionalized truth I

1860
01:24:35,850 --> 01:24:32,169
certainly think it's someplace in

1861
01:24:39,299 --> 01:24:35,860
between and maybe 60% of it if you

1862
01:24:42,089 --> 01:24:39,309
boiled it down you could find is factual

1863
01:24:44,219 --> 01:24:42,099
but I think a lot of it looks like it's

1864
01:24:46,890 --> 01:24:44,229
more than it is because of John Key oh

1865
01:24:48,929 --> 01:24:46,900
so he turned all this into a very

1866
01:24:51,569 --> 01:24:48,939
mystical thing it became one of his

1867
01:24:52,770 --> 01:24:51,579
better selling books and even got it

1868
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:52,780
made into a movie

1869
01:24:58,110 --> 01:24:55,570
yeah and I are congratulating for that I

1870
01:24:59,940 --> 01:24:58,120
was I was friendly with him all the way

1871
01:25:03,390 --> 01:24:59,950
up to his dance I don't diminish

1872
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:03,400
anything he did I got to be a crusty old

1873
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:05,650
guy who hated us all but you know that's

1874
01:25:12,570 --> 01:25:10,480
okay you look at that that addition that

1875
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he put in the tour book whatever the

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01:25:16,770 --> 01:25:15,130
movie came out he hated everybody but

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01:25:19,740 --> 01:25:16,780
that's that's what happened sometimes

1878
01:25:24,230 --> 01:25:19,750
ma'am well it was he was the ultimate

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01:25:27,540 --> 01:25:24,240
trickster in many ways oh yeah you know

1880
01:25:32,730 --> 01:25:27,550
I'm fortunate though that he was so

1881
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:32,740
bitter about things well he felt that

1882
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:34,480
except for the movie and he really

1883
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:37,090
didn't make that much Austen movie he'd

1884
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:39,310
done all of this work and that all of

1885
01:25:44,370 --> 01:25:41,770
these people named after him standing on

1886
01:25:46,710 --> 01:25:44,380
his shoulders lots of people didn't give

1887
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:46,720
him credit a lot of people really didn't

1888
01:25:52,050 --> 01:25:49,810
like him and you know only got to be

1889
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:52,060
bitter at the end of his life and and

1890
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:55,840
very poor actually and I'm living among

1891
01:26:00,210 --> 01:25:57,760
everything that he ate he would just

1892
01:26:02,340 --> 01:26:00,220
drop on the floor I mean his his house

1893
01:26:05,340 --> 01:26:02,350
at the end of his life was you know

1894
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:05,350
something for hoarders so it got to be

1895
01:26:09,740 --> 01:26:09,130
very very sad actually it sure sounds

1896
01:26:12,540 --> 01:26:09,750
like it

1897
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:12,550
that's so unfortunate I know we tried to

1898
01:26:17,190 --> 01:26:15,250
get him on the power cast then it was

1899
01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:17,200
his last year or two of life and I think

1900
01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:19,510
at this point he was quite sick unable

1901
01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:22,450
to do so but when we had someone call

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01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:25,480
him on the phone I don't know if the

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01:26:30,780 --> 01:26:27,970
conversation was concluded or not but we

1904
01:26:33,330 --> 01:26:30,790
got his phone number from Tim Beckley I

1905
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:33,340
believe and he called Beckley back

1906
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:36,070
screaming at him out there you let those

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01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:39,250
people call me well I agree to do a

1908
01:26:49,380 --> 01:26:43,890
conference the weekend before 9/11

1909
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:49,390
Mexico of all places mm-hmm that was the

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01:26:53,820 --> 01:26:51,760
back back a few years but he was still

1911
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:53,830
pretty chipper he said are you sure you

1912
01:26:58,140 --> 01:26:55,810
want me down there you know if I come

1913
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:58,150
down there you'll end up in jail and I

1914
01:27:01,470 --> 01:26:59,440
said well what do you mean Johnny goes

1915
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:01,480
I'll get I'll definitely get you in

1916
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:03,450
trouble and I said bring it on

1917
01:27:08,910 --> 01:27:06,570
so we unfortunately because of

1918
01:27:11,310 --> 01:27:08,920
you know 9 it was actually the weekend

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01:27:16,799 --> 01:27:11,320
after 9/11 and we end up having to

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01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:16,809
cancel mm-hmm but oh well Robert Anton

1921
01:27:19,979 --> 01:27:18,489
Wilson laughed at us when I called and

1922
01:27:21,569 --> 01:27:19,989
he goes he says I have a hard enough

1923
01:27:26,729 --> 01:27:21,579
time just getting down like down the

1924
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:26,739
hallway so right but well Lauren how

1925
01:27:31,770 --> 01:27:29,290
about you are you still going out and

1926
01:27:33,660 --> 01:27:31,780
doing speaking engagements and if you're

1927
01:27:35,310 --> 01:27:33,670
asked by a TV show to maybe travel

1928
01:27:37,379 --> 01:27:35,320
somewhere or are you willing to do that

1929
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:37,389
or you just pretty much kind of stick in

1930
01:27:43,399 --> 01:27:38,710
at headquarters there

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01:27:47,010 --> 01:27:43,409
oh no I travel extensively i you know i

1932
01:27:49,770 --> 01:27:47,020
i've given up on doing free things

1933
01:27:51,780 --> 01:27:49,780
because it's good people want you to

1934
01:27:54,629 --> 01:27:51,790
come there and they speak and they don't

1935
01:27:56,879 --> 01:27:54,639
want to pay your travel on so it's

1936
01:28:00,270 --> 01:27:56,889
interesting I've kind of got into the

1937
01:28:03,260 --> 01:28:00,280
last couple years some of the places

1938
01:28:06,450 --> 01:28:03,270
that can afford your casinos amazingly

1939
01:28:08,879 --> 01:28:06,460
so I've been to Michigan I've been to

1940
01:28:10,709 --> 01:28:08,889
Florida I've been to you know all around

1941
01:28:14,879 --> 01:28:10,719
but the other thing is of course with

1942
01:28:15,799 --> 01:28:14,889
the museum in Portland Maine yeah you

1943
01:28:19,109 --> 01:28:15,809
know there's a lot of boys

1944
01:28:22,020 --> 01:28:19,119
responsibility Spanish Italian Irish

1945
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,030
film crews come over can of yummi and

1946
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:24,159
the museum because there's incredible

1947
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:26,290
amounts of artifacts there for their

1948
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:29,199
b-roll so I do both I do both but I've

1949
01:28:34,770 --> 01:28:31,840
I've traveled quite a bit there's a big

1950
01:28:41,339 --> 01:28:34,780
Ohio conference on Bigfoot that I spoke

1951
01:28:43,169 --> 01:28:41,349
at in 2013 and 2011 I gave a keynote at

1952
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:43,179
Bucky Slover conference in southern

1953
01:28:48,510 --> 01:28:46,480
Illinois in 2011 so I travel a bit a bit

1954
01:28:53,609 --> 01:28:48,520
and I've got a few things coming up in

1955
01:28:57,180 --> 01:28:53,619
Atlanta and I've been Minnesota this

1956
01:28:59,250 --> 01:28:57,190
fall so uh you know I like to travel I

1957
01:29:01,890 --> 01:28:59,260
like to to get out there and meet people

1958
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:01,900
but I also whenever I go to a conference

1959
01:29:08,129 --> 01:29:04,719
I usually try to build in one or two

1960
01:29:10,740 --> 01:29:08,139
days to reinvestigate one cases or new

1961
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:10,750
cases so that's always fun yeah that's

1962
01:29:15,299 --> 01:29:12,730
important to really maximize these trips

1963
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:15,309
and really get several several irons in

1964
01:29:17,940 --> 01:29:17,050
the fire that's what I try to do as well

1965
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:17,950
well

1966
01:29:21,480 --> 01:29:19,450
we're about ready to go to another break

1967
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:21,490
but when we come back I really like to

1968
01:29:28,050 --> 01:29:24,970
to get your take on on the direction

1969
01:29:31,230 --> 01:29:28,060
that Hollywood has taken these subjects

1970
01:29:33,660 --> 01:29:31,240
especially with emphasis on the the

1971
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:33,670
Bigfoot shows and some of the monster

1972
01:29:37,830 --> 01:29:35,920
shows that have been on here the last

1973
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:37,840
few years and we'd love to get your take

1974
01:29:43,530 --> 01:29:40,480
on that and also your suggestions on how

1975
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:43,540
to make these shows more compelling in a

1976
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:45,520
real sense not a dramatic sort of

1977
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:47,530
reality show since I know that's a big

1978
01:29:52,500 --> 01:29:50,650
question but this is certainly something

1979
01:29:54,150 --> 01:29:52,510
we're going to want to ask in our next

1980
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:54,160
segment because we have about 30 seconds

1981
01:29:58,620 --> 01:29:56,410
or 40 seconds the key being here of

1982
01:30:02,280 --> 01:29:58,630
course is that a lot of these reality

1983
01:30:03,630 --> 01:30:02,290
shows are not reality in any sense of

1984
01:30:06,060 --> 01:30:03,640
the word and of course we have the

1985
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:06,070
experience of some of those UFO oriented

1986
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:09,010
shows where they do pretty wacky things

1987
01:30:15,300 --> 01:30:11,650
like hangar one the one that's connected

1988
01:30:18,630 --> 01:30:15,310
with MUFON of course the infamous did I

1989
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:18,640
say infamous chasing UFOs of which James

1990
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:21,370
Fox was a participant and boy did he

1991
01:30:24,750 --> 01:30:23,290
tell us things about that one really

1992
01:30:27,170 --> 01:30:24,760
yeah oh yeah

1993
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:27,180
we have Loren Coleman premiere

1994
01:30:35,930 --> 01:30:29,410
cryptozoologist and more with gene and

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we are the premier independent talk

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radio network the genesis communications

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network G C n first game attack of the

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rock codes and it was a critically

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acclaimed success and now there is the

2000
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coming of the protectors a former

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military intelligence man is contacted

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by a space woman in a dream a dream that

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turns out to be a nightmare because evil

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forces on our distant planet are

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planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock hides

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more and Rocco is calm

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[Music]

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01:35:07,209 --> 01:34:58,270
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

2097
01:35:12,919 --> 01:35:09,919
I'm the power cast with Gene and Kriss

2098
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:12,929
premier cryptozoologist Loren Coleman is

2099
01:35:18,050 --> 01:35:15,570
with us and we're really just glad he

2100
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:18,060
took the time way from his busy schedule

2101
01:35:23,660 --> 01:35:21,119
to spend a little time with us now Chris

2102
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:23,670
was talking about the reality show

2103
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:26,159
syndrome as I was in the previous

2104
01:35:30,169 --> 01:35:27,690
segment you have some response to that

2105
01:35:33,290 --> 01:35:30,179
Loren well first of all let me pick up

2106
01:35:37,669 --> 01:35:33,300
on the James Fox situation I actually

2107
01:35:40,970 --> 01:35:37,679
was just sent out to California

2108
01:35:45,490 --> 01:35:40,980
tracie truth Jemaine and James Fox is

2109
01:35:49,010 --> 01:35:45,500
doing this new movie 701 aware of that

2110
01:35:51,859 --> 01:35:49,020
yes we talked about it two weeks ago and

2111
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:51,869
I'm the out of the 40 people they're

2112
01:35:56,270 --> 01:35:53,449
interviewing I'm the only

2113
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:56,280
cryptozoologist they interviewed because

2114
01:36:01,280 --> 01:35:58,560
of course some of our cases are

2115
01:36:04,490 --> 01:36:01,290
unexplained too I think that kind of

2116
01:36:06,879 --> 01:36:04,500
approach where you do recreations you

2117
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:06,889
interview people and you try to keep

2118
01:36:12,890 --> 01:36:10,290
grounded in reality is something I'd

2119
01:36:15,950 --> 01:36:12,900
like to see going from the documentary

2120
01:36:19,310 --> 01:36:15,960
realm a fallen feature to more

2121
01:36:20,750 --> 01:36:19,320
television the old in search of was kind

2122
01:36:24,530 --> 01:36:20,760
of exciting because a lot of people

2123
01:36:26,990 --> 01:36:24,540
hadn't seen any unexplained before and

2124
01:36:29,419 --> 01:36:27,000
you know I had a narrator we all knew

2125
01:36:31,330 --> 01:36:29,429
and liked and then they would go out in

2126
01:36:33,649 --> 01:36:31,340
the field and they look around and they

2127
01:36:36,979 --> 01:36:33,659
interview witnesses and different things

2128
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:36,989
like that what we've seen come along of

2129
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:40,170
course is something like Bigfoot bounty

2130
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:42,690
which was a combination of Finding

2131
01:36:47,089 --> 01:36:43,199
Bigfoot

2132
01:36:49,339 --> 01:36:47,099
plus survivors where you had people try

2133
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:49,349
to you know they were voted off and

2134
01:36:56,810 --> 01:36:52,650
different things like that all of this

2135
01:37:00,859 --> 01:36:56,820
is really scripted reality fiction in

2136
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:00,869
many ways Finding Bigfoot I like the

2137
01:37:07,450 --> 01:37:04,110
people on there I know them and yet

2138
01:37:12,109 --> 01:37:07,460
there's a formula I was a consultant for

2139
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:12,119
four years for monster quests and one of

2140
01:37:17,450 --> 01:37:14,010
my big complaints is that they didn't go

2141
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:17,460
further afield they went back to things

2142
01:37:21,130 --> 01:37:20,010
like giant snakes and big rats

2143
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:21,140
which had nothing to do with

2144
01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:24,480
cryptozoology because their marketing

2145
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:25,800
research said that people were

2146
01:37:29,540 --> 01:37:27,840
interested that of course they started

2147
01:37:32,450 --> 01:37:29,550
doing from that stuff and then they got

2148
01:37:34,910 --> 01:37:32,460
cancelled Destination Truth is off the

2149
01:37:38,930 --> 01:37:34,920
air and they tried to do a combination

2150
01:37:41,690 --> 01:37:38,940
of hauntings and and kind of

2151
01:37:44,810 --> 01:37:41,700
cryptozoology investigations trying to

2152
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:44,820
really take on the ghost hunters sort of

2153
01:37:51,490 --> 01:37:47,489
notion so nobody's really come up with a

2154
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:51,500
good formula yet three years four years

2155
01:37:58,790 --> 01:37:54,960
segments for these show seem to be it

2156
01:38:01,880 --> 01:37:58,800
but what's amazing is despite how

2157
01:38:04,970 --> 01:38:01,890
critical any of us can be of any of

2158
01:38:08,660 --> 01:38:04,980
these programs it gets new people

2159
01:38:11,710 --> 01:38:08,670
interested I at the Museum I see

2160
01:38:15,260 --> 01:38:11,720
literally scores and scores of kids

2161
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:15,270
parents teachers coming in that their

2162
01:38:21,110 --> 01:38:18,510
major new experience with Bigfoot is

2163
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:21,120
Finding Bigfoot and they start asking

2164
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:24,000
intelligent questions they start reading

2165
01:38:29,780 --> 01:38:27,090
deeper books about it they start being

2166
01:38:31,460 --> 01:38:29,790
skeptical but open-minded they kind of

2167
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:31,470
giggle about the show but they're

2168
01:38:38,330 --> 01:38:34,170
interested in the subject and so that

2169
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:38,340
seems to be the key they're opening up

2170
01:38:41,780 --> 01:38:41,250
new avenues of new people getting into

2171
01:38:43,790 --> 01:38:41,790
the field

2172
01:38:45,470 --> 01:38:43,800
yeah there's hope that's that's really a

2173
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:45,480
good sign I'm really glad you pointed

2174
01:38:49,940 --> 01:38:47,850
that out kids are a lot more on the ball

2175
01:38:52,010 --> 01:38:49,950
and intelligent than I think some adults

2176
01:38:54,020 --> 01:38:52,020
would care to admit I know I was when I

2177
01:38:56,450 --> 01:38:54,030
was a kid in and it's important that

2178
01:38:58,130 --> 01:38:56,460
kids can differentiate between pure

2179
01:39:00,170 --> 01:38:58,140
entertainment and the real scientific

2180
01:39:01,700 --> 01:39:00,180
reality behind a particular mysterious

2181
01:39:03,260 --> 01:39:01,710
subject like this and it's good to see

2182
01:39:05,390 --> 01:39:03,270
that these shows are at least bringing

2183
01:39:09,229 --> 01:39:05,400
forward some people that have good heads

2184
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:09,239
on the shoulders right Finding Bigfoot a

2185
01:39:12,830 --> 01:39:11,250
lot of people watch it because the same

2186
01:39:24,850 --> 01:39:12,840
reason they slow down on the highways

2187
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:29,180
I'm sure that moneymaker yells at people

2188
01:39:33,410 --> 01:39:31,050
and everybody loves to watch that video

2189
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:33,420
and that looks good TV you know you have

2190
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:33,810
to have

2191
01:39:41,390 --> 01:39:37,520
a good TV show yeah yeah that's true

2192
01:39:44,150 --> 01:39:41,400
yeah the hangar 1 this recent show

2193
01:39:47,180 --> 01:39:44,160
that's been on a few weeks that has

2194
01:39:50,420 --> 01:39:47,190
MUFON stamp of approval is is kind of

2195
01:39:52,340 --> 01:39:50,430
garnering some grumblings I think among

2196
01:39:54,500 --> 01:39:52,350
the parrot cast listeners and others out

2197
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,510
there that they're being kind of fast

2198
01:40:00,230 --> 01:39:56,880
and loose with some of the affiliations

2199
01:40:02,660 --> 01:40:00,240
that moof I may have had with specific

2200
01:40:06,710 --> 01:40:02,670
cases and how valid they were to even

2201
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:06,720
bring up to begin with and I just hope

2202
01:40:10,180 --> 01:40:08,490
we don't see a trend of putting an

2203
01:40:12,980 --> 01:40:10,190
official stamps of approval on

2204
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:12,990
questionable editorial decisions and

2205
01:40:17,210 --> 01:40:15,210
questionable production decisions you

2206
01:40:18,770 --> 01:40:17,220
know I'm hoping is that people get more

2207
01:40:21,230 --> 01:40:18,780
and more intelligent about what they're

2208
01:40:23,690 --> 01:40:21,240
watching I mean I get on a lot of

2209
01:40:26,690 --> 01:40:23,700
programs I was on lost tape which a lot

2210
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:26,700
of people thought was nonfiction it was

2211
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:30,090
pure fiction and you could take in an

2212
01:40:34,370 --> 01:40:32,730
interview and you say something like I'm

2213
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:34,380
very interested in this creature but

2214
01:40:39,140 --> 01:40:35,760
it's not an alien

2215
01:40:45,010 --> 01:40:39,150
oh well I'll cut out the editing in the

2216
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:47,870
ancient ancient aliens about the Montauk

2217
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:50,130
Monster which of course they wanted to

2218
01:40:54,770 --> 01:40:51,840
make into something from outer space and

2219
01:40:57,740 --> 01:40:54,780
I I kept saying no we know that was a

2220
01:40:59,450 --> 01:40:57,750
raccoon that lost his hair you know I

2221
01:41:02,390 --> 01:40:59,460
didn't make him too happy but I got up

2222
01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:02,400
partially on the show so I actually

2223
01:41:07,790 --> 01:41:04,920
taught a documentary film course to 14

2224
01:41:09,500 --> 01:41:07,800
years and people would come back years

2225
01:41:11,660 --> 01:41:09,510
later and say that's the best course I

2226
01:41:13,970 --> 01:41:11,670
ever had because I never watched the

2227
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:13,980
news the same way I now know that

2228
01:41:20,030 --> 01:41:17,040
they're actually editing those people to

2229
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:20,040
say what they want him to say Chris

2230
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:23,730
didn't show where I think was UFO

2231
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:25,410
Hunters Jesse Ventura's conspiracy

2232
01:41:32,540 --> 01:41:29,010
theory they they took they took two

2233
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:32,550
quotes that I made and gave them the

2234
01:41:36,530 --> 01:41:35,250
reverse treatment so that I was instead

2235
01:41:37,550 --> 01:41:36,540
of saying I don't think it was something

2236
01:41:40,490 --> 01:41:37,560
they were saying I thought it was

2237
01:41:42,770 --> 01:41:40,500
something and then UFO Hunters took a

2238
01:41:45,290 --> 01:41:42,780
whole bunch of data that I was asked to

2239
01:41:47,129 --> 01:41:45,300
recite about some of my particular

2240
01:41:49,740 --> 01:41:47,139
theories about hot spot areas and

2241
01:41:51,359 --> 01:41:49,750
and I was referring to my research in

2242
01:41:53,340 --> 01:41:51,369
Colorado and they made it sound like I

2243
01:41:55,410 --> 01:41:53,350
was talking about Sedona Arizona where

2244
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:55,420
we were actually doing the filming you

2245
01:41:59,609 --> 01:41:57,040
know that's that's a problem with

2246
01:42:01,890 --> 01:41:59,619
Hollywood they do play fast and loose at

2247
01:42:04,129 --> 01:42:01,900
times and and it's si Senor editing

2248
01:42:07,470 --> 01:42:04,139
people who are the liaison between the

2249
01:42:09,300 --> 01:42:07,480
production company and the project and

2250
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:09,310
then kind of a linchpin between the

2251
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:11,650
network or channel that the programming

2252
01:42:16,350 --> 01:42:13,600
is on that's beholden to the advertisers

2253
01:42:19,260 --> 01:42:16,360
and so there is kind of a tightrope act

2254
01:42:21,870 --> 01:42:19,270
that many of these guys do and then you

2255
01:42:24,990 --> 01:42:21,880
have the outright mercenaries like Bob

2256
01:42:29,070 --> 01:42:25,000
caveat helping you know put on the Ray

2257
01:42:31,979 --> 01:42:29,080
Santilli you know alien autopsy Fiasco

2258
01:42:33,570 --> 01:42:31,989
and he's still very proud of that he

2259
01:42:35,070 --> 01:42:33,580
thought that was one of his most

2260
01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:35,080
successful things that he's ever done

2261
01:42:40,470 --> 01:42:38,350
yeah there's a certain mindset you and I

2262
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:40,480
Lauren and gene we're interested in

2263
01:42:43,770 --> 01:42:42,400
getting to the truth when you talk to

2264
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:43,780
somebody who's really entrenched in

2265
01:42:48,359 --> 01:42:45,810
Hollywood they're interested in in in

2266
01:42:51,689 --> 01:42:48,369
entertaining people number one and also

2267
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:51,699
being beholden to and agreeable by the

2268
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:53,170
advertisers and people that are putting

2269
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:55,810
the money up for these shows right now

2270
01:43:00,600 --> 01:42:57,850
Bob did the both sides of the big foot

2271
01:43:02,490 --> 01:43:00,610
he came out saying that Patterson film

2272
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:02,500
was the greatest piece of evidence and

2273
01:43:11,490 --> 01:43:04,719
then he did a show showing that it was a

2274
01:43:16,530 --> 01:43:13,919
well he'll take any sign as long as

2275
01:43:19,350 --> 01:43:16,540
there's a paycheck yeah do you want me

2276
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:19,360
to take folks okay I will do that well

2277
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:21,010
that's why I use the word mercenary

2278
01:43:24,990 --> 01:43:23,199
right well there are other words but

2279
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:25,000
then we do get to the seven dirty ones

2280
01:43:29,459 --> 01:43:27,760
very close at least well okay I'm not

2281
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:29,469
gonna slag anybody I think Bob's a nice

2282
01:43:33,570 --> 01:43:31,570
guy worked with him years ago 20 years

2283
01:43:35,070 --> 01:43:33,580
ago when he was with the show encounters

2284
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:35,080
and he actually did a very good job on

2285
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:37,210
the segment we worked on together but

2286
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:39,489
you know again it's all in your

2287
01:43:43,379 --> 01:43:41,650
motivations if your motive if the motive

2288
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:43,389
pure and the means correct then you're

2289
01:43:48,330 --> 01:43:45,489
doing the right thing in my book he was

2290
01:43:50,340 --> 01:43:48,340
on with Don Ecker on the power cast and

2291
01:43:52,530 --> 01:43:50,350
he was one of the few guests I had on

2292
01:43:55,410 --> 01:43:52,540
who I wanted to just smack in the face

2293
01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:55,420
he was so overbearing I think that's

2294
01:43:59,010 --> 01:43:57,130
part of it his manner was extremely

2295
01:44:00,419 --> 01:43:59,020
overbearing and you're trying to have a

2296
01:44:01,979 --> 01:44:00,429
sensible discussion

2297
01:44:04,830 --> 01:44:01,989
and he wanted to be I'm the big

2298
01:44:06,300 --> 01:44:04,840
know-it-all I know everything and you

2299
01:44:08,970 --> 01:44:06,310
know you have to temper things a little

2300
01:44:11,939 --> 01:44:08,980
bit here because nobody knows everything

2301
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:11,949
obviously and in this field the thing I

2302
01:44:16,290 --> 01:44:13,600
think that separates the prior cast from

2303
01:44:19,950 --> 01:44:16,300
the others is we don't think the answers

2304
01:44:22,740 --> 01:44:19,960
are already available yes I got a

2305
01:44:24,990 --> 01:44:22,750
wonderful opportunity on the new in

2306
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:25,000
search of series to be the senior series

2307
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:27,610
consultant and got to work with Alan

2308
01:44:31,350 --> 01:44:28,480
Lansbury

2309
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:31,360
Bert and he actually was the ops that he

2310
01:44:38,610 --> 01:44:35,920
was very open to suggestions very open

2311
01:44:41,340 --> 01:44:38,620
to other people's idea and not at all

2312
01:44:43,919 --> 01:44:41,350
arrogant for a guy who put together one

2313
01:44:47,220 --> 01:44:43,929
of the best series in the film everyone

2314
01:44:50,130 --> 01:44:47,230
search us yeah the preeminent show was

2315
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:50,140
the x-files of its time all right so

2316
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:51,760
there are some people out there a lot of

2317
01:44:55,740 --> 01:44:53,290
producers and directors that are good

2318
01:44:57,450 --> 01:44:55,750
people but a lot of them really are so

2319
01:44:59,010 --> 01:44:57,460
full of themselves and do you think that

2320
01:45:01,530 --> 01:44:59,020
Hollywood is the center of the universe

2321
01:45:03,090 --> 01:45:01,540
yeah well in a lot of them are just not

2322
01:45:04,830 --> 01:45:03,100
up to speed in the subject matter

2323
01:45:08,250 --> 01:45:04,840
they're trying to get you know

2324
01:45:10,620 --> 01:45:08,260
researchers 23 24 just out of film

2325
01:45:13,530 --> 01:45:10,630
school say go go research this subject

2326
01:45:14,189 --> 01:45:13,540
and they dive into the pool not knowing

2327
01:45:16,890 --> 01:45:14,199
how to swim

2328
01:45:19,110 --> 01:45:16,900
and so they sink on the way listen we do

2329
01:45:28,229 --> 01:45:19,120
the break now with Loren Coleman joining

2330
01:45:38,260 --> 01:45:31,379
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01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:38,270
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2333
01:45:43,419 --> 01:45:41,630
your potential customers are listening

2334
01:45:44,950 --> 01:45:43,429
to this radio program right now and I

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01:45:46,810 --> 01:45:44,960
can help you reach them by I'm Matt

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01:45:48,430 --> 01:45:46,820
Brauer a national marketing executive at

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and live.com hi this is Ted Anderson

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gold for your attire mint gold has

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[Music]

2358
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:36,870
heart and body extract for a long and

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01:47:39,850 --> 01:47:44,060
[Applause]

2360
01:47:52,100 --> 01:47:47,760
welcome back into the para cast the gold

2361
01:48:00,780 --> 01:47:52,110
standard of paranormal radio and now

2362
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:00,790
here's Jane Steinberg the last four

2363
01:48:04,650 --> 01:48:02,800
segments of our visit with Loren Coleman

2364
01:48:06,450 --> 01:48:04,660
we do have a number of questions from

2365
01:48:08,460 --> 01:48:06,460
our listeners and maybe if we're going

2366
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:08,470
to clean up a few of the topics here and

2367
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:11,290
get to those questions Chris great great

2368
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:13,930
this is called van ladies and gentlemen

2369
01:48:18,420 --> 01:48:15,730
this is one of the great techniques for

2370
01:48:20,610 --> 01:48:18,430
the age-old broadcasters when not

2371
01:48:22,890 --> 01:48:20,620
everybody has the cue card set because

2372
01:48:23,850 --> 01:48:22,900
we don't use cue cards on the power cast

2373
01:48:25,740 --> 01:48:23,860
some people think you know we have

2374
01:48:27,930 --> 01:48:25,750
extensive notes and we read from them

2375
01:48:30,300 --> 01:48:27,940
and know you've got to be prepared to

2376
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:30,310
sink or swim on this kind of show

2377
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:32,770
because if you don't there is not going

2378
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:35,170
to be a show you know like I learned I

2379
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:36,850
want to say who the guest co-host was

2380
01:48:40,650 --> 01:48:38,770
one of our guest co-hosts he have

2381
01:48:42,750 --> 01:48:40,660
somebody else feed him questions before

2382
01:48:44,490 --> 01:48:42,760
going on the power cast so he'd have the

2383
01:48:47,340 --> 01:48:44,500
questions and readiness he didn't do his

2384
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:47,350
own research Chris speaking of questions

2385
01:48:52,290 --> 01:48:50,080
okay I've got quite a number here

2386
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:52,300
actually Lauren you're I think you'll

2387
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:55,360
you'll enjoy a lot of them this one

2388
01:48:59,910 --> 01:48:57,040
comes from Wade Ridsdale who's one of

2389
01:49:03,000 --> 01:48:59,920
our really active posters at forum dr.

2390
01:49:04,890 --> 01:49:03,010
Peric ascom his first question is are

2391
01:49:06,060 --> 01:49:04,900
there any plans for a sequel to the

2392
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:06,070
copycat effect

2393
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:09,280
yes I've actually already signed a book

2394
01:49:17,940 --> 01:49:14,080
contract probably for about three years

2395
01:49:21,180 --> 01:49:17,950
from now on the Twilight language and

2396
01:49:23,220 --> 01:49:21,190
I'm going to go in depth about that and

2397
01:49:26,250 --> 01:49:23,230
look at some different things about

2398
01:49:31,260 --> 01:49:26,260
coincidence and synchronicity yeah well

2399
01:49:34,770 --> 01:49:31,270
really important topics yeah a couple of

2400
01:49:36,660 --> 01:49:34,780
four years away as I I get a two book

2401
01:49:39,060 --> 01:49:36,670
deal and I'm going to be writing a new

2402
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:39,070
cryptozoology book in the meantime Wow

2403
01:49:45,060 --> 01:49:42,010
Wow keep him busy he has a follow-up

2404
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:45,070
question about twilight language that

2405
01:49:49,110 --> 01:49:47,530
aspect and he asked given all the news

2406
01:49:51,180 --> 01:49:49,120
stories that must come across your death

2407
01:49:53,250 --> 01:49:51,190
desk how do you pick which ones to post

2408
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:53,260
on twilight language and do you have any

2409
01:49:59,130 --> 01:49:56,530
parameters or filters in place well

2410
01:50:02,370 --> 01:49:59,140
when the first filters is how busy and

2411
01:50:05,700 --> 01:50:02,380
I'm feeling and if I'm traveling or not

2412
01:50:08,670 --> 01:50:05,710
I read the news every day I get Twitter

2413
01:50:10,830 --> 01:50:08,680
feeds I get breaking news feeds I see

2414
01:50:13,710 --> 01:50:10,840
all of those there are some news stories

2415
01:50:17,010 --> 01:50:13,720
that come to the sort of boil to the top

2416
01:50:19,500 --> 01:50:17,020
I've always been very interested in the

2417
01:50:22,830 --> 01:50:19,510
harmonic you so of what I call the main

2418
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:22,840
game and so you know their stories on

2419
01:50:28,890 --> 01:50:26,010
school shootings or assassination or

2420
01:50:32,700 --> 01:50:28,900
some kind of large event that's

2421
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:32,710
affecting a lot of people I talk about

2422
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:36,400
that in my blog for instance the mystery

2423
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:38,650
disappearance of the plane I thought

2424
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:42,010
very much synced up with a lot of things

2425
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:44,320
that Ivan Sanderson did on the vial were

2426
01:50:53,250 --> 01:50:49,330
key and really put two emphasis a spot

2427
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:53,260
sort of a triangle of missing claims and

2428
01:50:58,560 --> 01:50:56,170
missing ships off of Australia and I

2429
01:51:00,510 --> 01:50:58,570
predicted long before they looked in

2430
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:00,520
that area that that was going to be

2431
01:51:05,250 --> 01:51:03,010
where they would end up looking and

2432
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:05,260
that's because of Ivan Sanderson sorry

2433
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:07,330
for the credit other people other for

2434
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:09,970
Tian's but I'm also kind of looking at

2435
01:51:15,930 --> 01:51:12,370
any the Fayette factor for instance

2436
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:15,940
that's a Jim Brandon thing from the

2437
01:51:21,540 --> 01:51:18,930
rebirth of pan and alright weird America

2438
01:51:23,940 --> 01:51:21,550
different things like that yeah some

2439
01:51:26,340 --> 01:51:23,950
great books and great all the ideas that

2440
01:51:28,830 --> 01:51:26,350
I think are not worth putting on the

2441
01:51:30,510 --> 01:51:28,840
Shelf but kind of renewing right well

2442
01:51:32,610 --> 01:51:30,520
that that brings up the whole subject of

2443
01:51:34,290 --> 01:51:32,620
synchronicities and coincidences again

2444
01:51:37,020 --> 01:51:34,300
and Wade has another follow-up

2445
01:51:38,340 --> 01:51:37,030
questioning he kind of points out if one

2446
01:51:41,010 --> 01:51:38,350
looks hard enough one can find

2447
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:41,020
connections however tenuous all about us

2448
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:43,570
do you ever find yourself holding off on

2449
01:51:47,850 --> 01:51:45,520
a story because any of the connections

2450
01:51:50,730 --> 01:51:47,860
are a bit of a reach well I think I'm

2451
01:51:54,930 --> 01:51:50,740
very careful about that I certainly know

2452
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:54,940
that awareness is is everything you can

2453
01:52:00,030 --> 01:51:57,760
kind of look and find things one thing

2454
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:00,040
that does for instance whenever the

2455
01:52:06,300 --> 01:52:04,330
Laura shooting occurred I think the

2456
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:06,310
reflective factor is certainly there and

2457
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:09,520
a lot of a lot of things like having

2458
01:52:12,900 --> 01:52:10,330
another shoot

2459
01:52:14,850 --> 01:52:12,910
finding out that the shooter lives on

2460
01:52:17,130 --> 01:52:14,860
home street which was the name of the

2461
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:17,140
shooter in Aurora or that it was

2462
01:52:22,530 --> 01:52:20,080
happening in Lafayette or that happened

2463
01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:22,540
in Aurora another Aurora Illinois or

2464
01:52:27,810 --> 01:52:24,490
something like that those kinds of

2465
01:52:29,550 --> 01:52:27,820
things as opposed to feeling like the

2466
01:52:31,950 --> 01:52:29,560
more you can look you can find them it

2467
01:52:34,740 --> 01:52:31,960
was I was looking for him that kept

2468
01:52:36,690 --> 01:52:34,750
popping up so I wanted to kind of

2469
01:52:40,230 --> 01:52:36,700
acknowledge that and respect that and

2470
01:52:43,190 --> 01:52:40,240
then write about it right well one one

2471
01:52:45,390 --> 01:52:43,200
that I know you from is the Mothman

2472
01:52:48,180 --> 01:52:45,400
correlations with names the name game

2473
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:48,190
thing has I haven't heard much word

2474
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:49,930
about that lately well why don't you

2475
01:52:53,820 --> 01:52:51,370
give our new listeners a thumbnail

2476
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:53,830
sketch of that particular scenario well

2477
01:52:58,110 --> 01:52:56,050
there was a lot of a lot of things and

2478
01:53:01,290 --> 01:52:58,120
of course it's Mason County and a lot of

2479
01:53:03,180 --> 01:53:01,300
the masonic harmonic masonic stuff and

2480
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:03,190
of course the thing i haven't even

2481
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:04,930
written up i'm kind of holding for the

2482
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:09,370
if your book is that if you look at the

2483
01:53:14,670 --> 01:53:12,850
actual origins of the name of Point

2484
01:53:17,310 --> 01:53:14,680
Pleasant and the battle there and the

2485
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:17,320
fighting there it really all goes back

2486
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:21,970
and it happens to be connected to the

2487
01:53:29,670 --> 01:53:24,970
map room in which Obama had to take his

2488
01:53:32,100 --> 01:53:29,680
second swearing-in after he was first

2489
01:53:35,250 --> 01:53:32,110
elected so I found that very interesting

2490
01:53:37,710 --> 01:53:35,260
that a lot of a lot of the connections

2491
01:53:40,140 --> 01:53:37,720
to the Mothman Prophecies and the

2492
01:53:41,730 --> 01:53:40,150
Mothman and the Point Pleasant just keep

2493
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:41,740
on showing up in a lot of political

2494
01:53:48,690 --> 01:53:45,370
situations wow I've never heard that one

2495
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:48,700
about the map room why did he have no

2496
01:53:56,700 --> 01:53:53,890
back and we do his pledge because when

2497
01:54:00,000 --> 01:53:56,710
Roberts were many incorrectly used the

2498
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:00,010
wrong words so they had to reclaim in in

2499
01:54:06,390 --> 01:54:03,040
the math room that same day interesting

2500
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:06,400
yeah here's another one from Wade kind

2501
01:54:10,410 --> 01:54:08,770
of shifting gears a little here do you

2502
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:10,420
think that the copycat effect is a

2503
01:54:14,370 --> 01:54:12,130
byproduct of the advent of news

2504
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:14,380
saturation or could you date its

2505
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,050
conception let's say he asked did Jack

2506
01:54:22,650 --> 01:54:19,440
the Ripper cases spawn its own imitators

2507
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:22,660
actually in my book the copycat effect I

2508
01:54:27,150 --> 01:54:23,920
talked about the Jack

2509
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:27,160
the Ripper had many copycats in a

2510
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:31,360
document that the the copycat effect was

2511
01:54:36,330 --> 01:54:33,730
spread during the Jack the Ripper times

2512
01:54:40,169 --> 01:54:36,340
because of this new invention called The

2513
01:54:42,959 --> 01:54:40,179
Telegraph it's very much related to the

2514
01:54:45,209 --> 01:54:42,969
media that's in effect at the time so

2515
01:54:48,300 --> 01:54:45,219
when the Telegraph came into effect you

2516
01:54:50,939 --> 01:54:48,310
had a whole wave of copycats because

2517
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:50,949
these connect the Ripper became like

2518
01:54:58,500 --> 01:54:54,850
dime novels and big stories so the

2519
01:55:01,380 --> 01:54:58,510
advent of both cluster suicides and then

2520
01:55:04,439 --> 01:55:01,390
school shootings came about right at the

2521
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:04,449
time when CNN came into being and then

2522
01:55:10,620 --> 01:55:07,360
Fox News and MSNBC who needed

2523
01:55:13,410 --> 01:55:10,630
wall-to-wall stories and they went crazy

2524
01:55:15,540 --> 01:55:13,420
with the wall-to-wall stories of these

2525
01:55:19,740 --> 01:55:15,550
school shootings which then caused

2526
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:19,750
imitators that's scary when when you see

2527
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:22,810
life imitating art imitating life or

2528
01:55:27,630 --> 01:55:24,850
something it's it gets a little

2529
01:55:29,820 --> 01:55:27,640
disturbing ask a general question then

2530
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:29,830
which kind of follows this do you think

2531
01:55:36,270 --> 01:55:32,800
our obsession with so-called serial

2532
01:55:38,060 --> 01:55:36,280
killers basically creates people doing

2533
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:38,070
that I mean you have TV shows like

2534
01:55:44,130 --> 01:55:41,440
Criminal Minds they're so popular and

2535
01:55:46,770 --> 01:55:44,140
also the following yeah I think we

2536
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:46,780
certainly have to be careful on in my

2537
01:55:53,340 --> 01:55:50,050
book is full of examples where people

2538
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:53,350
have taken programs back in the day room

2539
01:55:58,770 --> 01:55:56,770
there was VHS and they put their their

2540
01:56:00,959 --> 01:55:58,780
tape in and they'd be watching it for

2541
01:56:06,060 --> 01:56:00,969
hours and hours and then they'd go out

2542
01:56:08,430 --> 01:56:06,070
and shoot up a McDonald's or that you

2543
01:56:11,820 --> 01:56:08,440
know different movies about the Russian

2544
01:56:14,340 --> 01:56:11,830
Roulette deer hunter the deer hunter was

2545
01:56:16,740 --> 01:56:14,350
shown so many times in so many different

2546
01:56:19,410 --> 01:56:16,750
places and a direct correlation between

2547
01:56:22,650 --> 01:56:19,420
the people that would watch that movie

2548
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:22,660
and then go do it so you know I am

2549
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:25,810
somewhat concerned we are living in a

2550
01:56:30,870 --> 01:56:28,530
culture of violence in America you know

2551
01:56:33,810 --> 01:56:30,880
after the all of the stabbings that

2552
01:56:36,209 --> 01:56:33,820
happened if you you had more starving so

2553
01:56:37,859 --> 01:56:36,219
it's and that's just the guns it's it's

2554
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:37,869
whatever you put in people

2555
01:56:42,649 --> 01:56:40,570
and they'll take it if it's it's

2556
01:56:45,750 --> 01:56:42,659
publicized in front of them it's a real

2557
01:56:48,810 --> 01:56:45,760
choice thing it's vulnerable emotionally

2558
01:56:51,810 --> 01:56:48,820
disturbed people we were showing these

2559
01:56:54,780 --> 01:56:51,820
visual images these graphic images and

2560
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:54,790
then they feel that's the choice for

2561
01:56:59,609 --> 01:56:57,010
them it used to be that people would go

2562
01:57:02,820 --> 01:56:59,619
out and kill themselves and it's only

2563
01:57:05,250 --> 01:57:02,830
really been in the last 25 years where

2564
01:57:07,379 --> 01:57:05,260
people decided to take other people with

2565
01:57:10,290 --> 01:57:07,389
them that's when you got the mass

2566
01:57:13,290 --> 01:57:10,300
shootings workplace violence the mall

2567
01:57:15,959 --> 01:57:13,300
shootings of school shootings that very

2568
01:57:19,439 --> 01:57:15,969
much can be tracked down and tracked

2569
01:57:21,510 --> 01:57:19,449
back to some specific incidents which I

2570
01:57:23,100 --> 01:57:21,520
document in the book of course we have

2571
01:57:25,500 --> 01:57:23,110
Loren Coleman joining us we are

2572
01:57:27,479 --> 01:57:25,510
segwaying a little bit into some other

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ongoing issue of gun control is gonna

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02:02:16,310 --> 02:02:14,100
impact that do you think that better gun

2668
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:16,320
control laws could reduce the

2669
02:02:19,700 --> 02:02:19,050
possibility of some nut getting a hold

2670
02:02:22,700 --> 02:02:19,710
the weapons

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02:02:26,150 --> 02:02:22,710
he or she needs or it doesn't matter I'm

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02:02:29,090 --> 02:02:26,160
very much for looking at the direct

2673
02:02:33,080 --> 02:02:29,100
correlation you have it countries that

2674
02:02:35,980 --> 02:02:33,090
have banned guns sure individuals will

2675
02:02:40,430 --> 02:02:35,990
freak out get a gun from a gun club and

2676
02:02:44,150 --> 02:02:40,440
but the frequency of gun killings is so

2677
02:02:46,370 --> 02:02:44,160
much less there in America you know from

2678
02:02:48,710 --> 02:02:46,380
the Wild West you have people who turn

2679
02:02:51,410 --> 02:02:48,720
to guns to kill a lot of the people to

2680
02:02:54,110 --> 02:02:51,420
kill their lovers and it's going to keep

2681
02:02:56,090 --> 02:02:54,120
increasing until people look at that I

2682
02:02:58,790 --> 02:02:56,100
mean why you have to have assault

2683
02:03:01,730 --> 02:02:58,800
weapons that you can take into a school

2684
02:03:02,900 --> 02:03:01,740
and take out twenty kids is just beyond

2685
02:03:05,030 --> 02:03:02,910
me

2686
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:05,040
even though and then people of course

2687
02:03:10,070 --> 02:03:06,890
point to the Chinese that have the

2688
02:03:12,530 --> 02:03:10,080
school stabbings but those families

2689
02:03:14,120 --> 02:03:12,540
don't kill twenty kids they might injury

2690
02:03:17,330 --> 02:03:14,130
the kids

2691
02:03:19,310 --> 02:03:17,340
I'm not not for putting knives and

2692
02:03:21,800 --> 02:03:19,320
everybody's not hands either but we've

2693
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:21,810
got to be realistic if you have a

2694
02:03:26,419 --> 02:03:24,719
culture that has guns and people that

2695
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:26,429
are going to use them you know what

2696
02:03:32,270 --> 02:03:29,370
bothers me is the number of people who

2697
02:03:35,479 --> 02:03:32,280
were hurt because of accidents a weapon

2698
02:03:37,390 --> 02:03:35,489
goes off because they didn't know how to

2699
02:03:40,370 --> 02:03:37,400
use and I think if you're gonna have

2700
02:03:42,229 --> 02:03:40,380
wide availability of weapons I mean if

2701
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:42,239
you drive a car which is a weapon it's a

2702
02:03:46,040 --> 02:03:44,130
three or four thousand pound weapon or

2703
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:46,050
even larger if you're going to have a

2704
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:48,090
deadly weapon in your hands shouldn't

2705
02:03:53,979 --> 02:03:50,850
there be some minimum requirement to

2706
02:03:57,350 --> 02:03:53,989
educate yourself on how to use it safely

2707
02:04:00,790 --> 02:03:57,360
exactly and I did trainings all across

2708
02:04:03,110 --> 02:04:00,800
the state of Maine for nine years on

2709
02:04:05,660 --> 02:04:03,120
suicide prevention one of the things

2710
02:04:09,379 --> 02:04:05,670
that we would often ask the forty or so

2711
02:04:10,340 --> 02:04:09,389
people there is do you own a gun yes do

2712
02:04:12,890 --> 02:04:10,350
you lock it up

2713
02:04:15,229 --> 02:04:12,900
yes do your kids know where that key is

2714
02:04:17,990 --> 02:04:15,239
yes and there's a lot of hunter

2715
02:04:21,500 --> 02:04:18,000
education but there's a lot of stupidity

2716
02:04:23,209 --> 02:04:21,510
- there's a lot of people just not going

2717
02:04:26,750 --> 02:04:23,219
to extra step that if they have a

2718
02:04:29,120 --> 02:04:26,760
suicidal kid or a kid that's emotionally

2719
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:29,130
disturbed in their house they still have

2720
02:04:33,919 --> 02:04:31,530
those things in their house that can be

2721
02:04:37,610 --> 02:04:33,929
used against them or against other

2722
02:04:41,060 --> 02:04:37,620
people and so the logic and thinking

2723
02:04:43,729 --> 02:04:41,070
behind a lot of gun owners it's just not

2724
02:04:46,700 --> 02:04:43,739
there and my my view of what's going on

2725
02:04:49,550 --> 02:04:46,710
and on though I upset some people by

2726
02:04:52,189 --> 02:04:49,560
saying it straight but I think that you

2727
02:04:55,300 --> 02:04:52,199
just gotta really do more than education

2728
02:04:57,860 --> 02:04:55,310
you've got a kind of legislate I think

2729
02:05:00,050 --> 02:04:57,870
against some of these guns that people

2730
02:05:03,169 --> 02:05:00,060
really don't need to home yeah I

2731
02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:03,179
remember hearing years ago a a very

2732
02:05:07,870 --> 02:05:05,730
startling statistic that claimed it for

2733
02:05:12,110 --> 02:05:07,880
every text and there's seven weapons

2734
02:05:14,330 --> 02:05:12,120
firearms that's kind of scary I would I

2735
02:05:17,899 --> 02:05:14,340
went to the conference and a Bigfoot

2736
02:05:20,629 --> 02:05:17,909
conference and in Texas a couple of

2737
02:05:22,970 --> 02:05:20,639
years ago and I was in one of the tables

2738
02:05:25,370 --> 02:05:22,980
signing my books and everybody started

2739
02:05:27,260 --> 02:05:25,380
talking around all the vendor tables and

2740
02:05:29,060 --> 02:05:27,270
they all started comparing how many guns

2741
02:05:33,450 --> 02:05:29,070
they had

2742
02:05:36,330 --> 02:05:33,460
amazing well I have well armed populace

2743
02:05:39,450 --> 02:05:36,340
gives the powers to be the pause

2744
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:39,460
sometimes but yeah there's for every ten

2745
02:05:44,790 --> 02:05:42,010
people that are on the ball educated

2746
02:05:46,890 --> 02:05:44,800
safe there's always that one Yahoo who's

2747
02:05:48,840 --> 02:05:46,900
kind of ruin it for everybody else and

2748
02:05:50,700 --> 02:05:48,850
that's unfortunate but hey it's human

2749
02:05:52,950 --> 02:05:50,710
nature when you have 300 plus million

2750
02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:52,960
people there's a sizable percentage of

2751
02:05:58,260 --> 02:05:55,690
them that should not have any access to

2752
02:05:59,850 --> 02:05:58,270
firearms and not because of a criminal

2753
02:06:02,130 --> 02:05:59,860
pass but because of you know

2754
02:06:03,750 --> 02:06:02,140
psychological and emotional issues I I

2755
02:06:06,030 --> 02:06:03,760
had an incident happen right across the

2756
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:06,040
street from me here and in it's horrific

2757
02:06:10,770 --> 02:06:07,450
some of the things that you read about

2758
02:06:14,850 --> 02:06:10,780
that's why I don't watch you mainstream

2759
02:06:16,860 --> 02:06:14,860
media as a rule let's shift gears here

2760
02:06:19,230 --> 02:06:16,870
to another subject that you might be

2761
02:06:22,650 --> 02:06:19,240
able to help with this is from trickster

2762
02:06:25,140 --> 02:06:22,660
terrestrial and he's a brand new sign up

2763
02:06:27,420 --> 02:06:25,150
at the forum here at forum dr. Perry

2764
02:06:29,340 --> 02:06:27,430
cast calm and he has a very simple

2765
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:29,350
question he says I just moved to Oregon

2766
02:06:33,540 --> 02:06:31,930
and we're are good places to camp and

2767
02:06:36,030 --> 02:06:33,550
investigate cryptids in the Pacific

2768
02:06:38,730 --> 02:06:36,040
Northwest there's a good one right well

2769
02:06:41,310 --> 02:06:38,740
in general there's a thing called the

2770
02:06:44,130 --> 02:06:41,320
Oregon Caves that a lot of people do a

2771
02:06:46,740 --> 02:06:44,140
lot of investigating of Bigfoot

2772
02:06:49,770 --> 02:06:46,750
sightings in my book Bigfoot the true

2773
02:06:52,980 --> 02:06:49,780
story of apes in America I did a whole

2774
02:06:55,350 --> 02:06:52,990
list at the back of that book of 20

2775
02:06:57,720 --> 02:06:55,360
different places around the country that

2776
02:07:00,780 --> 02:06:57,730
are have a high concentration of Bigfoot

2777
02:07:03,060 --> 02:07:00,790
sightings or a lot of people go to an

2778
02:07:05,160 --> 02:07:03,070
area they want to find Bigfoot but they

2779
02:07:07,380 --> 02:07:05,170
also want to be entertained a little bit

2780
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:07,390
so they they're looking for a nearby

2781
02:07:13,140 --> 02:07:10,570
museum or a gift store or a sign on a

2782
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:13,150
highway like in Colorado there's that

2783
02:07:18,210 --> 02:07:16,330
sign on the way to Pikes Peak that says

2784
02:07:19,590 --> 02:07:18,220
a Bigfoot crossing a lot of people do

2785
02:07:21,690 --> 02:07:19,600
like to have the picture taken that's

2786
02:07:25,740 --> 02:07:21,700
like that so I plan up point a lot of

2787
02:07:28,460 --> 02:07:25,750
those things out to really do are

2788
02:07:30,810 --> 02:07:28,470
associated with high Bigfoot areas know

2789
02:07:33,540 --> 02:07:30,820
and that is anywhere in the Pacific

2790
02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:33,550
Northwest up and down the Cascades is is

2791
02:07:38,100 --> 02:07:35,410
as likely a place as any

2792
02:07:39,959 --> 02:07:38,110
obviously the places were where more

2793
02:07:43,770 --> 02:07:39,969
sightings or

2794
02:07:46,020 --> 02:07:43,780
are supposedly reported from but but

2795
02:07:47,550 --> 02:07:46,030
again yeah just network with some of the

2796
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:47,560
local groups they're tricksters rest

2797
02:07:51,510 --> 02:07:49,570
real and I'm sure some of the locals

2798
02:07:53,550 --> 02:07:51,520
there would be able to really also stay

2799
02:07:56,010 --> 02:07:53,560
in the right direction for more current

2800
02:07:57,870 --> 02:07:56,020
locations possibly I know there have

2801
02:08:04,470 --> 02:07:57,880
been a couple of interesting footprint

2802
02:08:06,450 --> 02:08:04,480
cases in Oregon recently okay not get in

2803
02:08:12,150 --> 02:08:06,460
a rut you know really find your own

2804
02:08:15,150 --> 02:08:12,160
areas - yeah that's true well this kind

2805
02:08:17,670 --> 02:08:15,160
of brings us to you know some questions

2806
02:08:20,970 --> 02:08:17,680
that you've already answered by posted

2807
02:08:24,690 --> 02:08:20,980
by psychedelic alchemist who's a poster

2808
02:08:26,820 --> 02:08:24,700
at forum dr. Peric ascom but again he he

2809
02:08:28,770 --> 02:08:26,830
didn't I don't think get an answer to

2810
02:08:31,020 --> 02:08:28,780
this question what do you think is the

2811
02:08:33,930 --> 02:08:31,030
single most convincing piece of evidence

2812
02:08:36,420 --> 02:08:33,940
for the existence of Bigfoot now we did

2813
02:08:38,370 --> 02:08:36,430
talk about the DNA studies in the like

2814
02:08:40,170 --> 02:08:38,380
but but out of all the evidence of

2815
02:08:42,390 --> 02:08:40,180
physical evidence that we have that we

2816
02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:42,400
can scientifically test what what do you

2817
02:08:47,580 --> 02:08:44,770
think is the best one I think I'm gonna

2818
02:08:49,770 --> 02:08:47,590
have to return again to something I've

2819
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:49,780
written quite a bit about which is the

2820
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:51,730
Patterson Gimlin film because if you

2821
02:08:55,740 --> 02:08:53,530
look at the whole Patterson Gimlin

2822
02:08:58,709 --> 02:08:55,750
incident that happened at Bluff Creek

2823
02:09:01,229 --> 02:08:58,719
California on this one yeah

2824
02:09:03,990 --> 02:09:01,239
if you look at it and look at it from

2825
02:09:06,270 --> 02:09:04,000
the side of it as if it's a pancake you

2826
02:09:09,240 --> 02:09:06,280
have a situation where the horses

2827
02:09:11,790 --> 02:09:09,250
reacted to a smell that one of the

2828
02:09:14,190 --> 02:09:11,800
horses actually kicked up that the men

2829
02:09:17,400 --> 02:09:14,200
saw something that they actually took

2830
02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:17,410
pictures of it that they looked on the

2831
02:09:23,910 --> 02:09:19,570
ground and found footprints that

2832
02:09:27,300 --> 02:09:23,920
actually in that area it's a high Native

2833
02:09:29,250 --> 02:09:27,310
traditions area that actually in 1958

2834
02:09:32,370 --> 02:09:29,260
there have been other tracks down there

2835
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:32,380
and in the area so as far as a gold

2836
02:09:39,180 --> 02:09:35,890
standard for a piece of evidence I would

2837
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:39,190
say the whole Patterson Gimlin situation

2838
02:09:43,890 --> 02:09:41,370
where you have multiple layers of

2839
02:09:46,680 --> 02:09:43,900
evidence all kind of coming together

2840
02:09:49,830 --> 02:09:46,690
right in a film that really has not been

2841
02:09:51,870 --> 02:09:49,840
able to be claimed to be a hoax it's

2842
02:09:53,310 --> 02:09:51,880
been analyzed you can see muscle

2843
02:09:55,740 --> 02:09:53,320
movement under the fur

2844
02:09:58,919 --> 02:09:55,750
there seems to be herniation in some of

2845
02:10:02,580 --> 02:09:58,929
the the leg muscles I talked to Bob

2846
02:10:05,490 --> 02:10:02,590
Gimlin many many times he's incredible

2847
02:10:08,160 --> 02:10:05,500
down-to-earth guys it doesn't seem to

2848
02:10:10,169 --> 02:10:08,170
have been involved in a hoax at all so

2849
02:10:12,600 --> 02:10:10,179
I'm convinced that that's sort of the

2850
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:12,610
Zapruder film of Bigfoot studies well

2851
02:10:17,250 --> 02:10:15,280
right and it's really the dust piece of

2852
02:10:19,770 --> 02:10:17,260
evidence let's do the break here guys

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29.95 call 800-501-7737 film of the

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Bluff Creek Bigfoot and you're saying

2954
02:15:22,030 --> 02:15:19,700
it's the Zapruder film of Bigfoot

2955
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:22,040
research and I would agree I think I

2956
02:15:27,070 --> 02:15:24,890
think it does stand up and over time

2957
02:15:29,560 --> 02:15:27,080
here's a question from Dave M however

2958
02:15:31,870 --> 02:15:29,570
whose poster at the Forum dr. Perik

2959
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:31,880
asked calm and he wonders does Lauren

2960
02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:33,530
think there are any compelling modern

2961
02:15:37,870 --> 02:15:36,050
videos showing Bigfoot if so which ones

2962
02:15:40,420 --> 02:15:37,880
now the Gillman footage obviously was

2963
02:15:43,090 --> 02:15:40,430
with actual film footage but how about

2964
02:15:45,790 --> 02:15:43,100
now with all these Bigfoot videos coming

2965
02:15:48,550 --> 02:15:45,800
out and and after you after you talk

2966
02:15:51,250 --> 02:15:48,560
about that some of the audio recordings

2967
02:15:53,410 --> 02:15:51,260
of supposed Bigfoot calls for instance

2968
02:15:55,690 --> 02:15:53,420
are there any out there that you've seen

2969
02:15:59,710 --> 02:15:55,700
recently that the kind of piqued your

2970
02:16:03,220 --> 02:15:59,720
curiosity in terms of videos a lot of

2971
02:16:06,460 --> 02:16:03,230
people scratch their head over the mario

2972
02:16:10,270 --> 02:16:06,470
day video where something's running

2973
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:10,280
along a ridge there's also the redwoods

2974
02:16:15,850 --> 02:16:12,890
video where it looks like a Bigfoot is

2975
02:16:19,000 --> 02:16:15,860
with an erection is moving in front of a

2976
02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:19,010
van a lot of those have questions about

2977
02:16:25,150 --> 02:16:21,170
them but they're just they don't hold a

2978
02:16:27,790 --> 02:16:25,160
candle to the Roger Patterson Gimlin to

2979
02:16:29,070 --> 02:16:27,800
him so nobody can really almost all of

2980
02:16:33,720 --> 02:16:29,080
the ones that we've

2981
02:16:39,150 --> 02:16:33,730
on YouTube are hoaxes or really bad

2982
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:39,160
quality yeah exactly

2983
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:41,770
as far as audio of course nothing

2984
02:16:47,550 --> 02:16:44,170
compares to what are called the Sierra

2985
02:16:50,750 --> 02:16:47,560
sounds from their seventies and here

2986
02:16:53,430 --> 02:16:50,760
once again it's connected a lot to the

2987
02:16:56,250 --> 02:16:53,440
individuals that took it took those

2988
02:16:59,459 --> 02:16:56,260
audio tapes where they had actually

2989
02:17:02,730 --> 02:16:59,469
strong microphones with old reel to

2990
02:17:04,589 --> 02:17:02,740
reels between a cabin and something that

2991
02:17:07,709 --> 02:17:04,599
was up to here our kind of structure

2992
02:17:10,410 --> 02:17:07,719
that was up the hill and those people of

2993
02:17:15,480 --> 02:17:10,420
course are getting old and passing away

2994
02:17:17,820 --> 02:17:15,490
and and you hear of new audio tapes but

2995
02:17:21,660 --> 02:17:17,830
they in some way sound like they're

2996
02:17:23,970 --> 02:17:21,670
gorilla roars from Tarzan movie so it's

2997
02:17:25,740 --> 02:17:23,980
not as good as some of the old stuff so

2998
02:17:28,140 --> 02:17:25,750
far yeah

2999
02:17:30,419 --> 02:17:28,150
here's one from flatwoods interesting

3000
02:17:32,339 --> 02:17:30,429
name he has a picture of a joint in the

3001
02:17:35,520 --> 02:17:32,349
flatwoods monster I think on his as his

3002
02:17:37,890 --> 02:17:35,530
avatar photo he wonders are there are

3003
02:17:40,370 --> 02:17:37,900
isolated cases of humans growing to

3004
02:17:44,760 --> 02:17:40,380
extreme height and weight due to a

3005
02:17:46,260 --> 02:17:44,770
chrome egg Leah said in other rare

3006
02:17:48,330 --> 02:17:46,270
conditions do you think it's possible

3007
02:17:50,640 --> 02:17:48,340
that sporadic cases of gigantism and

3008
02:17:53,100 --> 02:17:50,650
animals may account for he says a

3009
02:17:57,780 --> 02:17:53,110
majority of crypto cases well maybe even

3010
02:17:59,640 --> 02:17:57,790
some crypto cases no we really certainly

3011
02:18:02,250 --> 02:17:59,650
looked at a lot of that as well as the

3012
02:18:04,230 --> 02:18:02,260
whole notion that Bigfoot and some of

3013
02:18:07,830 --> 02:18:04,240
the cryptids are nothing more than feral

3014
02:18:09,930 --> 02:18:07,840
humans and it really just doesn't pan

3015
02:18:12,330 --> 02:18:09,940
out what you find over and over again

3016
02:18:14,580 --> 02:18:12,340
and a lot of the cryptids is you have

3017
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:14,590
patterns that go on for decades

3018
02:18:19,950 --> 02:18:17,170
either footprints or sightings or

3019
02:18:23,220 --> 02:18:19,960
descriptions and what he's really

3020
02:18:25,620 --> 02:18:23,230
talking about is a genetic independent

3021
02:18:28,980 --> 02:18:25,630
condition that you would see very

3022
02:18:31,919 --> 02:18:28,990
sporadic and not at all coming across in

3023
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:31,929
the population no yeah so the short

3024
02:18:36,150 --> 02:18:34,210
answer is no and that's why that makes

3025
02:18:37,890 --> 02:18:36,160
sense to me although there are are some

3026
02:18:40,350 --> 02:18:37,900
I think what they call al masty or

3027
02:18:41,770 --> 02:18:40,360
Wildman reports from Siberia that are

3028
02:18:43,629 --> 02:18:41,780
intriguing

3029
02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:43,639
in the past maybe feral human type

3030
02:18:50,650 --> 02:18:46,370
reports of smaller than your average

3031
02:18:52,209 --> 02:18:50,660
Bigfoot sized humanoids unless you're a

3032
02:18:55,270 --> 02:18:52,219
Russian the Russians believe all of

3033
02:18:57,250 --> 02:18:55,280
those are surviving and earth all no

3034
02:19:03,730 --> 02:18:57,260
okay well okay well maybe one of those

3035
02:19:05,379 --> 02:19:03,740
became cute and I think that was bad

3036
02:19:07,660 --> 02:19:05,389
that was really bad

3037
02:19:11,169 --> 02:19:07,670
riding around on a horse with no shirt

3038
02:19:12,970 --> 02:19:11,179
on right yeah he's not all hairy no he

3039
02:19:15,549 --> 02:19:12,980
shaved it shaves all the hair off his

3040
02:19:18,390 --> 02:19:15,559
body I don't want to hear that next

3041
02:19:23,680 --> 02:19:20,310
okay here's one

3042
02:19:25,450 --> 02:19:23,690
jaesi Johnson one of our more colorful

3043
02:19:27,220 --> 02:19:25,460
guests that we've had on the show in the

3044
02:19:31,169 --> 02:19:27,230
past he's Boy out say he can we've a

3045
02:19:34,740 --> 02:19:31,179
fireside story like nobody's business JC

3046
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:34,750
is in his estimation a very serious

3047
02:19:40,030 --> 02:19:37,010
cryptologist and he does go out and

3048
02:19:42,070 --> 02:19:40,040
interview people and and he does do

3049
02:19:44,980 --> 02:19:42,080
field work and one of the things that he

3050
02:19:48,490 --> 02:19:44,990
has uncovered going back I think into

3051
02:19:52,090 --> 02:19:48,500
the 60s and possibly earlier are reports

3052
02:19:55,150 --> 02:19:52,100
of small very quick a bipedal dinosaurs

3053
02:19:57,220 --> 02:19:55,160
in the Four Corners area and we had

3054
02:19:59,640 --> 02:19:57,230
recent reports a year ago October about

3055
02:20:02,980 --> 02:19:59,650
two reports from Canyonlands in Utah

3056
02:20:04,780 --> 02:20:02,990
there been reports according to JC along

3057
02:20:08,110 --> 02:20:04,790
the San Juan River do you think it's

3058
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:08,120
possible that dinosaurs in some form

3059
02:20:13,210 --> 02:20:11,120
still exist on the planet I think it

3060
02:20:16,150 --> 02:20:13,220
might be a stretch I'm very aware of

3061
02:20:18,670 --> 02:20:16,160
those reports that Johnson's talking

3062
02:20:20,680 --> 02:20:18,680
about and a few other people of of

3063
02:20:22,900 --> 02:20:20,690
investigator I've not personally been

3064
02:20:25,510 --> 02:20:22,910
able to investigate them or even talk to

3065
02:20:27,790 --> 02:20:25,520
an eyewitness but certainly Ivan

3066
02:20:31,060 --> 02:20:27,800
Sanderson thought that there was a small

3067
02:20:33,850 --> 02:20:31,070
bipedal dinosaur that might still exist

3068
02:20:36,370 --> 02:20:33,860
and of course we have mokey Liam and Ben

3069
02:20:40,300 --> 02:20:36,380
bay reports from Africa which may be

3070
02:20:42,450 --> 02:20:40,310
mammals not so much dinosaurs but it is

3071
02:20:45,340 --> 02:20:42,460
a possibility and we certainly know that

3072
02:20:48,790 --> 02:20:45,350
we have dinosaurs that are still alive

3073
02:20:51,520 --> 02:20:48,800
when we would call them Birds so we

3074
02:20:53,800 --> 02:20:51,530
certainly know that that just because

3075
02:20:55,900 --> 02:20:53,810
these things that around us and the

3076
02:20:58,210 --> 02:20:55,910
feathers aren't really rest

3077
02:21:00,280 --> 02:20:58,220
nice distance source maybe there's other

3078
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:00,290
kinds of dinosaurs around us that don't

3079
02:21:03,540 --> 02:21:01,010
have feathers

3080
02:21:05,770 --> 02:21:03,550
yeah well birds would be the obvious

3081
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:05,780
existing vestige of dinosaurs they

3082
02:21:09,070 --> 02:21:07,760
probably did evolve into birds

3083
02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:09,080
I think science has pretty much

3084
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:12,290
determined that here's an interesting

3085
02:21:19,091 --> 02:21:16,010
question here uh do you think the

3086
02:21:21,250 --> 02:21:19,101
question is from as 7092 it formed out

3087
02:21:22,990 --> 02:21:21,260
the parrot caste calm and his question

3088
02:21:25,660 --> 02:21:23,000
just reads simply do you think sus quash

3089
02:21:28,180 --> 02:21:25,670
has real high intelligence or could they

3090
02:21:30,520 --> 02:21:28,190
just be giant Apes let me kind of

3091
02:21:33,730 --> 02:21:30,530
amplify that and say we were talking

3092
02:21:35,560 --> 02:21:33,740
about possible telepathy abilities there

3093
02:21:38,801 --> 02:21:35,570
are cases for instance where where you

3094
02:21:40,540 --> 02:21:38,811
have several footprints from a Bigfoot

3095
02:21:42,881 --> 02:21:40,550
and they they appear out of nowhere and

3096
02:21:45,160 --> 02:21:42,891
they disappear into nowhere my brother

3097
02:21:46,450 --> 02:21:45,170
actually was involved in a sighting with

3098
02:21:48,610 --> 02:21:46,460
physical evidence like that

3099
02:21:51,220 --> 02:21:48,620
do you think that they do have some

3100
02:21:54,131 --> 02:21:51,230
level of high intelligence or that

3101
02:21:57,551 --> 02:21:54,141
possibly they have an ability to

3102
02:21:59,710 --> 02:21:57,561
manipulate their reality somehow

3103
02:22:04,261 --> 02:21:59,720
appearing and disappearing teleporting

3104
02:22:08,051 --> 02:22:04,271
for instance oh well let me back up I

3105
02:22:17,620 --> 02:22:08,061
think I always try to ask myself the

3106
02:22:19,631 --> 02:22:17,630
question are humans intelligent well

3107
02:22:23,440 --> 02:22:19,641
anybody that asked me do that I think

3108
02:22:25,900 --> 02:22:23,450
that Bigfoot is a giant ape or are they

3109
02:22:28,600 --> 02:22:25,910
something else well humans are giant

3110
02:22:32,620 --> 02:22:28,610
Apes humans are giant Apes Bigfoot's are

3111
02:22:36,280 --> 02:22:32,630
giant Bigfoot are giant Apes do we have

3112
02:22:39,131 --> 02:22:36,290
any kind of telepathy do we have any

3113
02:22:40,920 --> 02:22:39,141
kind of abilities to teleport there are

3114
02:22:43,390 --> 02:22:40,930
certain people of course to have

3115
02:22:45,910 --> 02:22:43,400
psychokinetic abilities or at least they

3116
02:22:49,180 --> 02:22:45,920
say they do why would we think that

3117
02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:49,190
another large ape may or may not have

3118
02:22:56,710 --> 02:22:53,930
that ability I think this is a realm

3119
02:23:01,060 --> 02:22:56,720
that has not been fully explored with an

3120
02:23:03,460 --> 02:23:01,070
open mind know about humans it's hard

3121
02:23:06,100 --> 02:23:03,470
enough to talk about a creature that we

3122
02:23:09,820 --> 02:23:06,110
don't even know if it exists to really

3123
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:09,830
get into bringing on all these attribute

3124
02:23:14,670 --> 02:23:12,170
it seemed to be beyond what we even can

3125
02:23:18,280 --> 02:23:14,680
figure out about human so I think it's a

3126
02:23:21,820 --> 02:23:18,290
real quicksand area to get Cardon before

3127
02:23:23,890 --> 02:23:21,830
the horse yeah yeah let's discover the

3128
02:23:27,220 --> 02:23:23,900
animal and then figure out what his

3129
02:23:28,990 --> 02:23:27,230
capabilities are yeah exactly I think

3130
02:23:31,450 --> 02:23:29,000
there's some people here though who

3131
02:23:34,540 --> 02:23:31,460
would rather object to calling humans

3132
02:23:37,301 --> 02:23:34,550
giant apes don't you think yeah well I

3133
02:23:43,690 --> 02:23:37,311
know but I've met those people they're

3134
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:43,700
usually ape like I really am one of

3135
02:23:46,420 --> 02:23:46,010
those people that think we are a naked

3136
02:23:49,960 --> 02:23:46,430
ape

3137
02:23:51,970 --> 02:23:49,970
we highly evolved eight of consciousness

3138
02:23:54,670 --> 02:23:51,980
with the belief in God with all of those

3139
02:23:59,710 --> 02:23:54,680
kinds of things but basically we are

3140
02:24:02,410 --> 02:23:59,720
just an ape one that has that we think

3141
02:24:04,870 --> 02:24:02,420
we put ourselves above animals and above

3142
02:24:07,180 --> 02:24:04,880
other anthropoids that we are nothing

3143
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:07,190
more than an eight so basically a giant

3144
02:24:12,940 --> 02:24:10,010
ape with an ego problem we have Loren

3145
02:24:21,240 --> 02:24:12,950
Coleman who has no ego problem gene and

3146
02:24:21,250 --> 02:24:25,609
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3249
02:28:45,760 --> 02:28:42,880
hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

3250
02:28:46,690 --> 02:28:45,770
fair cast and it's as good as it gets

3251
02:28:50,900 --> 02:28:46,700
believing

3252
02:29:00,500 --> 02:28:56,180
I think we need Andy Serkis on the show

3253
02:29:04,131 --> 02:29:00,510
he does good apes I understand I admit

3254
02:29:06,200 --> 02:29:04,141
all right boy it's down to the last

3255
02:29:08,600 --> 02:29:06,210
segment with Loren Coleman joining gene

3256
02:29:12,551 --> 02:29:08,610
and Chris in the power cast bringing you

3257
02:29:15,650 --> 02:29:12,561
up to date on cryptozoological research

3258
02:29:18,020 --> 02:29:15,660
cases studies questions from our

3259
02:29:20,780 --> 02:29:18,030
listeners whether humans are giant

3260
02:29:24,290 --> 02:29:20,790
egomaniacal apes and we can all argue

3261
02:29:27,830 --> 02:29:24,300
about that well I think I think there

3262
02:29:30,740 --> 02:29:27,840
are certain developments in the field

3263
02:29:33,261 --> 02:29:30,750
such as the the Rick Dyer hoax and and

3264
02:29:36,020 --> 02:29:33,271
some real questionable claims about

3265
02:29:37,910 --> 02:29:36,030
footage and stuff and and I think Lauren

3266
02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:37,920
is right that we really need to focus on

3267
02:29:43,970 --> 02:29:41,130
on the positive there's more than enough

3268
02:29:47,750 --> 02:29:43,980
people you know pointing out flaws in

3269
02:29:49,940 --> 02:29:47,760
particular people's of you know whatever

3270
02:29:54,190 --> 02:29:49,950
they're claiming well one of the

3271
02:29:58,930 --> 02:29:54,200
problems that I mean I'm on the edge

3272
02:30:00,740 --> 02:29:58,940
watching you follow G field fight and

3273
02:30:03,860 --> 02:30:00,750
destroy itself

3274
02:30:07,640 --> 02:30:03,870
with personality conflicts I think that

3275
02:30:10,301 --> 02:30:07,650
the Bigfoot field as it matures has the

3276
02:30:14,180 --> 02:30:10,311
possibility to only focus on the

3277
02:30:17,810 --> 02:30:14,190
hoaxsters the detractors the people that

3278
02:30:21,740 --> 02:30:17,820
have huge egos and really missed the

3279
02:30:24,950 --> 02:30:21,750
whole vote that last weekend for

3280
02:30:27,620 --> 02:30:24,960
instance over a thousand people gathered

3281
02:30:29,960 --> 02:30:27,630
in Ohio to share their common interest

3282
02:30:32,240 --> 02:30:29,970
in Bigfoot there were no fights there

3283
02:30:34,280 --> 02:30:32,250
there were no just bites there were no

3284
02:30:36,950 --> 02:30:34,290
yelling about different personalities

3285
02:30:40,131 --> 02:30:36,960
those people just shared notes and

3286
02:30:42,381 --> 02:30:40,141
really we're on the same page I think

3287
02:30:44,270 --> 02:30:42,391
that that's there's a lot of new people

3288
02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:44,280
coming into this field there's a lot of

3289
02:30:50,540 --> 02:30:47,010
young people but a lot of culturally

3290
02:30:52,940 --> 02:30:50,550
diverse people it's Bigfoot really does

3291
02:30:56,390 --> 02:30:52,950
Bigfoot and cryptozoology really does

3292
02:30:58,580 --> 02:30:56,400
take individuals interest in animals and

3293
02:30:59,540 --> 02:30:58,590
mysteries and really combined in a

3294
02:31:01,670 --> 02:30:59,550
positive way

3295
02:31:04,730 --> 02:31:01,680
it sounds to me like it's a lot more

3296
02:31:07,700 --> 02:31:04,740
together than the UFO field which

3297
02:31:10,520 --> 02:31:07,710
is eternally in conflict well I

3298
02:31:13,490 --> 02:31:10,530
certainly think that that is true I

3299
02:31:15,591 --> 02:31:13,500
think that there's a lot more harmony

3300
02:31:18,140 --> 02:31:15,601
going on and you don't you know you can

3301
02:31:20,330 --> 02:31:18,150
obviously jump on some forums are

3302
02:31:24,680 --> 02:31:20,340
getting an email exchange with people on

3303
02:31:27,940 --> 02:31:24,690
but most of us I mean even Peter Byrne

3304
02:31:30,500 --> 02:31:27,950
who hated me for a few years and with

3305
02:31:32,540 --> 02:31:30,510
making claims that I'd taken photographs

3306
02:31:35,211 --> 02:31:32,550
when he'd actually loaned them to me

3307
02:31:37,610 --> 02:31:35,221
he apologized recently and he's he's

3308
02:31:39,020 --> 02:31:37,620
anything even it there's a kind of

3309
02:31:41,961 --> 02:31:39,030
maturing of the field where people

3310
02:31:43,580 --> 02:31:41,971
really don't hold grudges for long and

3311
02:31:46,430 --> 02:31:43,590
we all kind of know we're in this

3312
02:31:48,770 --> 02:31:46,440
together right so that's kind of

3313
02:31:50,540 --> 02:31:48,780
positive I think yeah and it's also

3314
02:31:53,000 --> 02:31:50,550
positive that we're getting intelligent

3315
02:31:56,600 --> 02:31:53,010
young people involved and having the

3316
02:31:58,461 --> 02:31:56,610
opportunity to educate them in a way

3317
02:32:00,680 --> 02:31:58,471
that will allow them to do what you've

3318
02:32:03,051 --> 02:32:00,690
done Lauren and that is carry the ball

3319
02:32:06,230 --> 02:32:03,061
down the field and take the the field

3320
02:32:10,461 --> 02:32:06,240
forward from the the John Green's and

3321
02:32:12,620 --> 02:32:10,471
and Renee and Bob Gimlin and others have

3322
02:32:15,530 --> 02:32:12,630
in the past and it's important to keep

3323
02:32:17,720 --> 02:32:15,540
the continuity and and keep you know the

3324
02:32:20,900 --> 02:32:17,730
the goal in mind and that is to

3325
02:32:23,240 --> 02:32:20,910
determine one certain for all what these

3326
02:32:26,540 --> 02:32:23,250
people are seen and what these creatures

3327
02:32:28,700 --> 02:32:26,550
could possibly be yep and a lot of these

3328
02:32:30,801 --> 02:32:28,710
individuals are now professors or

3329
02:32:34,570 --> 02:32:30,811
they're in academic situations or their

3330
02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:34,580
teachers I and when I got into this

3331
02:32:41,390 --> 02:32:38,250
professors would just they'd laugh this

3332
02:32:44,330 --> 02:32:41,400
off they'd laugh this off I did papers

3333
02:32:45,830 --> 02:32:44,340
on the survival of Neanderthal and I got

3334
02:32:47,900 --> 02:32:45,840
to see on the paper even though it was a

3335
02:32:50,631 --> 02:32:47,910
paper because he didn't like the subject

3336
02:32:52,910 --> 02:32:50,641
so you know if you're turning around and

3337
02:32:55,730 --> 02:32:52,920
people come to the museum people writing

3338
02:32:57,921 --> 02:32:55,740
man or they're giving their PhD

3339
02:33:00,560 --> 02:32:57,931
candidates or they're already doctors

3340
02:33:04,070 --> 02:33:00,570
and universities and it's really kind of

3341
02:33:06,051 --> 02:33:04,080
wonderful trends and it's almost as if

3342
02:33:08,480 --> 02:33:06,061
we're winning from the inside yeah

3343
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:08,490
that's that's the very good point if

3344
02:33:13,761 --> 02:33:11,010
you're seeing people would postgraduate

3345
02:33:16,160 --> 02:33:13,771
aspirations and they're able to get

3346
02:33:17,451 --> 02:33:16,170
particular subjects and hypotheses

3347
02:33:18,681 --> 02:33:17,461
okayed by

3348
02:33:21,831 --> 02:33:18,691
view boards and that sort of thing that

3349
02:33:25,970 --> 02:33:21,841
that is a big step forward you don't see

3350
02:33:28,491 --> 02:33:25,980
that you follow gee not seen any optical

3351
02:33:32,331 --> 02:33:28,501
physicist candidates for a doctorate

3352
02:33:35,091 --> 02:33:32,341
tried to study UFOs or someone involved

3353
02:33:38,061 --> 02:33:35,101
with diagnostic propulsion of magneto

3354
02:33:39,411 --> 02:33:38,071
hydrodynamics or some of these other you

3355
02:33:41,181 --> 02:33:39,421
know a little bit off the beaten track

3356
02:33:43,191 --> 02:33:41,191
scientific subjects but these are

3357
02:33:46,641 --> 02:33:43,201
perfect avenues to do that and I don't

3358
02:33:50,061 --> 02:33:46,651
see anybody attempting it know who as

3359
02:33:52,581 --> 02:33:50,071
within cryptozoology in zoology and

3360
02:33:54,141 --> 02:33:52,591
anthropology the whole basis that we

3361
02:33:56,601 --> 02:33:54,151
want to talk to eat

3362
02:33:59,720 --> 02:33:56,611
native peoples or local peoples that

3363
02:34:02,741 --> 02:33:59,730
these creatures are as no known as a

3364
02:34:06,051 --> 02:34:02,751
basis is really caught on and you have

3365
02:34:08,451 --> 02:34:06,061
field biologists and conservation

3366
02:34:10,821 --> 02:34:08,461
workers that are in villages the

3367
02:34:12,741 --> 02:34:10,831
individuals about what animals are out

3368
02:34:15,231 --> 02:34:12,751
there and then discovering their animals

3369
02:34:17,841 --> 02:34:15,241
which is the method of cryptozoologists

3370
02:34:20,121 --> 02:34:17,851
it doesn't matter to us the Bigfoots not

3371
02:34:22,701 --> 02:34:20,131
discovered what matters is a new lizard

3372
02:34:24,621 --> 02:34:22,711
or a new frog or a new monkey is

3373
02:34:28,220 --> 02:34:24,631
discovered and that that's the way to do

3374
02:34:30,231 --> 02:34:28,230
it you talk to local people and boy I'll

3375
02:34:33,701 --> 02:34:30,241
tell you having grown up in the Pacific

3376
02:34:36,501 --> 02:34:33,711
Northwest and knowing how vast areas of

3377
02:34:39,411 --> 02:34:36,511
Alberta British Columbia all the way up

3378
02:34:41,571 --> 02:34:39,421
into the Yukon parts of Alaska are just

3379
02:34:45,951 --> 02:34:41,581
I mean there are places where the humans

3380
02:34:48,081 --> 02:34:45,961
have maybe never ventured it is so vast

3381
02:34:51,501 --> 02:34:48,091
and so remote there and it's not beyond

3382
02:34:52,970 --> 02:34:51,511
at least my imagination to imagine that

3383
02:34:56,241 --> 02:34:52,980
that you could have a thriving

3384
02:34:58,761 --> 02:34:56,251
population of undiscovered hominids

3385
02:35:01,220 --> 02:34:58,771
living in that vast area where there are

3386
02:35:03,681 --> 02:35:01,230
no roads many villages you can only get

3387
02:35:06,231 --> 02:35:03,691
to by rivers or by flying in for

3388
02:35:09,111 --> 02:35:06,241
instance and any sort of field work and

3389
02:35:12,051 --> 02:35:09,121
organized efforts in those areas I think

3390
02:35:16,701 --> 02:35:12,061
are going to at some point produce

3391
02:35:19,551 --> 02:35:16,711
results myself a lot of people are

3392
02:35:22,131 --> 02:35:19,561
course hiking in those areas and Grover

3393
02:35:25,071 --> 02:35:22,141
Krantz said that he thought that there

3394
02:35:27,891 --> 02:35:25,081
was one big search for every 10,000

3395
02:35:29,421 --> 02:35:27,901
black bear and you ask people how often

3396
02:35:30,740 --> 02:35:29,431
do you see a black bear and how often do

3397
02:35:33,830 --> 02:35:30,750
you see a mountain lion

3398
02:35:35,690 --> 02:35:33,840
and you know people are kind of shocked

3399
02:35:38,090 --> 02:35:35,700
that they don't really see them that

3400
02:35:40,760 --> 02:35:38,100
often so why in the world would they see

3401
02:35:42,590 --> 02:35:40,770
a big trip then often right yes

3402
02:35:44,210 --> 02:35:42,600
especially one that probably has a

3403
02:35:48,889 --> 02:35:44,220
higher level of intelligence than a

3404
02:35:51,380 --> 02:35:48,899
black bear or any other large predator

3405
02:35:53,660 --> 02:35:51,390
or omnivore out there like a cat I've

3406
02:35:55,630 --> 02:35:53,670
been lucky enough to see mountain lions

3407
02:35:58,190 --> 02:35:55,640
I lived in you know at the base of a

3408
02:35:59,960 --> 02:35:58,200
14,000 foot mountain so there were lots

3409
02:36:01,820 --> 02:35:59,970
of cats lots of bears trapped one in my

3410
02:36:04,490 --> 02:36:01,830
yard but the average person studying

3411
02:36:05,960 --> 02:36:04,500
this stuff maybe in Chicago or somewhere

3412
02:36:07,910 --> 02:36:05,970
and you know in the suburban area

3413
02:36:10,849 --> 02:36:07,920
whatever they're not going to get the

3414
02:36:13,670 --> 02:36:10,859
opportunity as readily obviously right

3415
02:36:15,889 --> 02:36:13,680
right and back to the giant ape question

3416
02:36:17,360 --> 02:36:15,899
if they are giant Apes or if they're

3417
02:36:19,460 --> 02:36:17,370
hominids or whatever you want to call

3418
02:36:21,650 --> 02:36:19,470
them they're intelligent like you were

3419
02:36:23,360 --> 02:36:21,660
mentioning and one of the reasons we

3420
02:36:26,269 --> 02:36:23,370
don't see that many of them crossing the

3421
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:26,279
roads is they're probably aware that you

3422
02:36:30,530 --> 02:36:27,930
know the animals across the roads gate

3423
02:36:33,740 --> 02:36:30,540
and they're called dead roadkill

3424
02:36:35,150 --> 02:36:33,750
and so Bigfoot the young males are the

3425
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:35,160
ones that are seen crossing the roads

3426
02:36:40,760 --> 02:36:38,010
but most of the sightings of family

3427
02:36:44,030 --> 02:36:40,770
groups of clans are deeper in the woods

3428
02:36:49,490 --> 02:36:44,040
when hikers see them not the one or two

3429
02:36:52,910 --> 02:36:49,500
crossing roads right sounds like The

3430
02:36:55,429 --> 02:36:52,920
Beatles song why don't we do it on the

3431
02:36:58,099 --> 02:36:55,439
road well it's in the road I was gonna

3432
02:37:00,050 --> 02:36:58,109
ask why does the Bigfoot even cross the

3433
02:37:01,519 --> 02:37:00,060
road like kind of like the chicken joke

3434
02:37:04,330 --> 02:37:01,529
you know why did Bigfoot cross the road

3435
02:37:08,500 --> 02:37:04,340
when you have 30 seconds for the answer

3436
02:37:10,880 --> 02:37:08,510
okay eat the berries on the other side

3437
02:37:12,410 --> 02:37:10,890
Loren Coleman please tell our listeners

3438
02:37:15,460 --> 02:37:12,420
where they can find more of the stuff

3439
02:37:18,889 --> 02:37:15,470
that you do well there's a few sites

3440
02:37:21,200 --> 02:37:18,899
cryptozoology Museum calm is a very

3441
02:37:23,450 --> 02:37:21,210
elaborate site for our Museum and

3442
02:37:31,660 --> 02:37:23,460
there's all kinds of different pull down

3443
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:34,340
cryptozoological mint.com has a little

3444
02:37:40,969 --> 02:37:38,010
information and my blog which used to be

3445
02:37:43,761 --> 02:37:40,979
called copycat effect is now called the

3446
02:37:45,410 --> 02:37:43,771
twilight language

3447
02:37:47,421 --> 02:37:45,420
and people can just look that up on

3448
02:37:49,341 --> 02:37:47,431
Google and they'll find Twilight

3449
02:37:51,230 --> 02:37:49,351
language and I have all kinds of

3450
02:37:54,620 --> 02:37:51,240
different things going on there on a

3451
02:37:57,830 --> 02:37:54,630
daily basis you can find us on the para

3452
02:38:01,220 --> 02:37:57,840
cast com that's the para cast calm or go

3453
02:38:04,040 --> 02:38:01,230
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3454
02:38:06,051 --> 02:38:04,050
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3455
02:38:08,301 --> 02:38:06,061
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02:38:10,310 --> 02:38:08,311
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3457
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02:38:16,250 --> 02:38:14,190
there are two para cast fan clubs on

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Facebook don't ask me how that happened

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I'll figure it out someday

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Chris O'Brien's book is stalking the

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herd if you go to stalking the herd calm

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you can check that out or our strange

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planet calm and by the way if you order

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Chris's book from his site he will

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autograph it as long as his fingers can

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keep it together Loren Coleman thanks

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for joining us in the power cast it's

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great to be here for the day

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the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible